Episode 24

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30th Sep 2025

EP 24 Josh Meador

Episode 24: Josh Meador – Fighting for Justice in Family Court

In this powerful episode of The Judgemental Podcast, hosts Hugh and Christine are joined by Josh Meador, a parent from Orange County who spent nearly six years battling the family court system for equal custody of his children. Josh shares his harrowing journey through custodial evaluations, false accusations, and the immense financial and emotional toll of the process.

Key Topics:

The role and impact of 730 evaluations in family court

Systemic issues: lack of accountability, transparency, and oversight in court-appointed evaluations

The financial burden of custody battles, including attorney and evaluator fees

The emotional impact on parents and children, including parental alienation and trauma

The importance of advocacy, community, and not giving up—even when the system feels stacked against you

Notable Moments:

Josh’s experience with two different evaluators, including allegations of bias and unethical behavior

The struggle to access and challenge evaluation reports

The eventual victory: Josh is awarded equal custody after a grueling trial, but not without significant personal loss

The power of connecting with other parents through online reviews and social media to push for accountability and reform

A call to action for parents, attorneys, and listeners to stay vigilant and support change in the family court system

Resources & Takeaways:

If you’re a parent fighting for your children, don’t give up—your kids need you.

The importance of documenting everything and seeking support from others who have been through the system.

Advocacy for greater transparency, including the right to record meetings and access evaluation reports.

Final Thoughts:

Josh’s story is a testament to resilience and the need for reform in family courts. The episode ends with a message of hope and a call for justice and accountability for all families navigating these challenges.

Listen in for a candid, emotional, and eye-opening conversation that sheds light on the realities of family court and the fight for parental rights.

Transcript
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Speaker 4: We need some justice.

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Justice, my fine justice.

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I wanna ring, be in public crowd.

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Yeah.

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Josh (3): All right.

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Well, welcome to the

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judgmental podcast.

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we have

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Christine: He

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Christine (2): is from Orange County.

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He is a parent that fought the

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Christine: a

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Christine (2): custodial evaluation or

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Christine: their version a 730 in

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Christine (2): So we will

just get right into it.

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Hi Josh.

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How are you?

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Josh (3): I'm doing excellent.

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How about yourself?

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Christine (2): Great.

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Great.

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And it's good to see you.

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So I actually, well, why don't

you just tell a little bit about

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how we met from your perspective.

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Josh (3): Well, we met totally

randomly during a protest in front

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of the courthouse on city drive.

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And so I showed up to support parents

and children in standing against the

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corrupt, uh uh, child custody system

that we have in place right now.

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And then you had approached me

and, and and that's how we met.

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Christine (2): Yeah.

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And your story is interesting

to me because you are, as you

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described, self explained or

self-described one of the lucky ones.

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And can you tell me what that means?

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Josh (3): Yes, ma'am.

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So, I ultimately, after almost six

years was able to win equal custody

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of my two beautiful children, my

two younger, beautiful children.

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So, that's why I consider myself

one of the lucky ones 'cause I know

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a lot of the other parents have

not unfortunately, had that result

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and even though they deserve it.

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And and so that's, that's why I

consider myself one of the lucky ones.

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Christine (2): And you have no

idea how rare it is for people

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once they get out of the system.

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A lot of people just, and I understand

completely, but they just shut down.

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They're so thankful to

have their kids back.

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They're so traumatized.

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It takes years to get over it.

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So a lot of them sort of leave this

advocacy movement again, understand

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why they do that, but it was just such

a, it was so refreshing to see you.

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I'm, you're still in it.

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I mean, you're ready to go, aren't you?

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Josh (3): Yeah.

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I mean, there, there needs to be change.

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This is catastrophic to

our society, to children.

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You know, it's, it's abuse.

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And in many situations, these children are

being left with the abuser and or at the

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very least the the counter parent, right?

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And we see there's been so many

studies when there's a parent removed

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from a child's life, we see the

lifelong damage that that does and

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ul ultimately that you know, our

roads, our society all altogether.

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And so, you know, yeah, I'd

like to see that come to an end.

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I wrestle with, you know,

just mining my business.

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But I also, you know,

hopefully you guys don't mind.

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I bring this up.

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I prayed a lot during the course of

those five and a half, six years, and

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I asked God, you know, if, if I was to

emerge you know, with equal time with

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my kids, that I would do everything I

could to, to help other parents as well.

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So, and, and, and at least expose

this extremely catastrophically broken

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system that's in place right now.

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Christine (2): All right,

well, let's go right there.

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Tell us what a seven 30 is.

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Josh (3): So a seven 30 evaluation is

performed by a licensed psychologist

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that's on the courts approved rosters.

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They are supposed to come in as a bias

neutral party, and many times, you

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know, they're, they come in because

the courts determine they're too

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busy to look at all the evidence.

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Right?

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You quickly find that out.

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They're overwhelmed.

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And so as a suggestion to help the courts,

you or your attorney may go, Hey, can,

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can we just get a seven 30 evaluation?

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There's tons of evidence here,

and we need someone to look at

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it to make the correct decision.

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And so the evaluator is supposed to come

in, as I said as a neutral party and

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really perform an investigation that

it, that arrives at a conclusion of the

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best interest for the children or child.

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Hugh (2): So then they go ahead and

they file a report at some, some

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point that goes before the court

and becomes part of the record.

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Josh (3): Yes.

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That is correct hug.

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And, and really these judges I know

here locally, but probably across

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the nation from what I've read, at

that point in time, the time the

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evaluator almost becomes the judge.

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The judge will defer to whatever

they come up with, right?

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And so, you know, if the judge says,

you know, mom's horrible or dad's

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horrible and, and you know, here's

why X, Y, and Z, that's the gospel.

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That is, that is what the courts almost

probably 98% of the time defer to.

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And so there's this extreme power

in this, you know, evaluator's role.

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That tremendously affects the children.

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And and so, you know, it's really

important you guys that they are

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ethical, that they actually perform a

thorough investigation, that they really

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follow the protocols that are in place.

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They need use the right

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Hugh (2): tests.

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Josh (3): What was that?

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Hugh (2): They use the right tests.

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Josh (3): They use the right tests.

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You know, they really just make a

thorough and moral effort to find out

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who's lying or who's telling the truth.

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And, you know, in my opinion, even

though it doesn't happen like this.

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Parents should only be removed if there

is really extreme provable behavior

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that is detrimental to the kids.

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Right?

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Well, physical violent abuse you know,

major long, prolonged drug usage.

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And those are some of the things,

the allegations that you know,

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opposing counsel and the other

parent were throwing at me.

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And and so yeah, it, you know,

it helped, it, it, it's really

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important for these evaluators to be

ethical and to really keep the best

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interest of the children in mind.

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Christine (2): And so

you are talking about Dr.

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Reinhardt who is a psychologist, correct.

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Out of Orange County?

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Josh (3): Yes, that is correct.

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Dr.

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Reinhart was brought in on my case.

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That's specifically who I'm talking about.

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There's actually two

evaluators in my case.

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The first one was Jessica St.

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Clair.

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And, you know, I, I hear there's

other parents who have had bad

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experiences with Jessica St.

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Clair.

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From my perspective,

she was very thorough.

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You know, she came to my house the

other parent was accusing me of,

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of that the kids were being abused

during my time that I was on drugs.

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So I immediately started voluntarily

taking drug tests and giving them to St.

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Clair.

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She was like, oh my gosh,

you're making my job super easy.

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Because the other parent was

saying that I'm abusing the kids.

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She would show up to my house during

the limited, limited parenting time

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that I had with the kids at the

time, randomly unannounced to kind of

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surprise me and see what was going on.

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And she was like, you are an amazing dad.

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And I think it's really important

to note that I was already the

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primary parent for my oldest daughter

Brooklyn, who's now 19 years old.

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So I So you have three children, correct?

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I have three children.

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I have, I have one from

a previous marriage.

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And you know, I went into sales

when she was really little because

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I was missing her childhood.

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And so I made that change career wise.

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So I can take her to doctors,

dentist appointments, pick her up,

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take her to school, you know, jazz

piano lessons hip hop dance classes.

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And so, you know, I was really

involved with my, with my oldest

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child and all that evidence wa was

there to be looked at in my case.

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But you know, St.

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Clair, I had the other parents saying

that I was, showing up at the school

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and threatening the teachers and staff.

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And I think the turning point with the

first evaluator was I was able, thank

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God I was with clients and I had paid

a lunch tab clear across the county.

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And so once I presented her this receipt

and said I wasn't even near San Clemente,

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I wasn't near the school, I was clear

across in, in North Orange County.

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With clients and she really

realized like, oh my gosh.

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She doesn't, she hates you

more than she loves the kids.

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She just really wants to,

she's just coming after you.

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And, and so she seemed to go get it.

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She asked me if I was prepared to

have a lot more time with the kids.

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She couldn't really tell me

exactly how much, but it felt

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like she was gonna flip custody.

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And all I was asking was for

them to recommend that mom go get

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some help that the other parent

go get some help process stuff.

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I never want, would want

to keep her from our kids.

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'cause I know the kids need us both.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I know that the best possible

situation is us working together,

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co-parenting, and that's how our

kids are gonna really thrive and,

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and have the best life possible.

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Christine (2): Absolute.

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So Sinclair, for some reason

though, gets off the case.

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What happens?

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Josh (3): Oh, so, right before she

can, like, you know, this is months

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into our evaluation and she's like,

I'm gonna start writing the report.

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I'm gonna give you like way more

time, you know, be prepared.

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And then she has a, a massive

medical emergency and goes and just

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disappears off the face of the earth.

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My attorney can't get ahold of her

opposing counsel can't get ahold of her.

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I'm like, what's going on?

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And, you know, there was multiple

court dates and we still get,

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couldn't get ahold of her.

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The report was supposed to be done.

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So at that point in time much to my

detriment and to the detriment of, of

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the kids and everybody involved, they

threw her out and removed her from the

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case and then ordered a new evaluator to

come in, get the paperwork and everything

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that had been done, and basically just

complete the existing evaluation using

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the information and documentation of.

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Sinclair's investigation and all that

she had to do was complete the report.

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The judge at that time in my case, ordered

that the new evaluator do it for $15,000.

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So

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Christine (2): what had you

paid the previous evaluator?

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Josh (3): I paid, so I prior, because we

suggested it the court said that I needed

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to pay for the entire first evaluation.

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And I, I'd have to look, I think it

was, it was about $15,000 maybe 17.

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Right, right, right around there.

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Mm-hmm.

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Which is a lot of money.

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But that was the, the

cost on the first one.

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And so the judge ordered on the

back end with a new evaluator

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that mom and I split the cost of

that down the middle and that Dr.

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Reinhardt come in and finish the report.

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Christine (2): So what happens next?

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Josh (3): Well, our, our very first

conversation, it was, it was a appearance.

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Her first conversation with my

attorneys and opposing counsel,

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she was livid that she wasn't

getting $30,000 for this evaluation.

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Like, that was her first, you know,

and there's too much evidence.

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Too much evidence.

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I, I can't, I can't look at all

this for 15,000 do I made $30,000.

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And that was really like, that

was the first discussions.

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And my attorney came back

and told me like, what?

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She's, like, they were appalled

and couldn't believe it.

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That was, that that was her demand

or what she was upset about.

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And mind you, she just needed to

finish the existing evaluation.

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It wasn't a full evaluation

that needed to take place.

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And then in my first conversation,

that theme really carried through.

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She immediately complained

about all the evidence.

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And at this point in time, this is about

four years of just absolute shenanigans,

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false accusations, you know, videos

of just all of our exchanges, just all

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kinds of documented negative behavior,

and that needed to be looked at so

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a proper evaluation could be done.

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And she just refused.

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She said, there's too much evidence.

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I'm not looking at all of this.

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And in our first conversation she says,

look, I don't wanna look at the evidence.

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And I want more money.

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So you just gimme more money.

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You know, you gimme another $10,000

and I'll just write the report up that

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you and mom are, are great parents.

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And I'll recommend equal

custody to the courts.

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And I could see her face right

now, Christine, that was, I

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was my jaw, hit the floor.

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You're asking me to commit,

you know, fraud or bribery.

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And and, and I just

knew my, my heart sunk.

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I knew that I was, excuse my

language, that I was fucked.

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I knew that this was gonna be

horrible, that this person didn't care.

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Whatsoever about the children

or doing an ethical job.

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It was very clear that her money was,

was her sole focus in, in this case.

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Christine (2): And so you're

four years in when you meet her?

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Yeah.

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How much money are you in at

four years in Orange County?

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Guess you,

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Josh (3): you know, over, well over at

that point in time, a hundred, $140,000.

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You also, in my specific situation

I was a very, I was one of the very

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most successful people in my industry

in the title insurance industry.

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And at the time I should notes and, so

my attorney was telling me, you know,

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you make more money than the judge.

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And, and it's, they, even though mom was

doing all this behavior and creating the

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court case essentially, and the need to

go to court they were, everybody's told me

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like, you need to pay her attorney fees.

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And so, and she was asking for it.

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So between my attorney fees and then

having to pay for mom's attorney

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fees, I think at that point in time,

like well over 140, probably closer

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to $200,000 at that point in time.

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Hugh (2): And how many times up leading

up until the time where you, you met Dr.

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Reinhardt, how many times did you

actually had a hearing before a judge?

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Josh (3): I mean, there

was a lot of hearings.

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That was one thing that I, I don't

remember the exact, but there was.

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Quite, you know, quite a few.

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There was a bunch of shenanigans.

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My youngest, I didn't get to meet

until she was nine months old.

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So when my ex and I broke up, she

was pregnant with our youngest child.

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Wow.

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And so I had to fight to

even just to meet her.

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And she played all kinds of games.

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So there's hearings on that.

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There was, you know, here, there

was a fair amount of hearings and

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opposing counsel tried to use that,

that I was this contentious parent

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that's creating all these court dates.

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And I, you know, I was the let's see here.

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Not the plaintiff, but the,

you know, I was the one that

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was asking to see for the kids.

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I initiated the case, I forgot what the

legal term is so that I, you know, I'm the

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one that's causing all these court dates.

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So I, I need to pay for

everybody's court fees.

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And I think it's important to

understand the disadvantage

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that that puts someone in.

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It's, you know, it's already a

massive financial burden to Right.

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Pay for your own attorney fees.

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But then when the other person is

lying about you and your character and

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is the one that's creating this whole

thing, it basically is rewarding them.

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Yep.

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And there's no reason

for them to ever stop.

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If, if, if they can.

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If I can keep lying about you and, and

then you have to pay for the tab of

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that and there's no accountability,

you know, it, it's like sky's the limit

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on, on the damage that that can do.

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You know?

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Christine (2): So, because

you were the petitioner,

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petitioner, you make more money.

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Yeah.

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In California, and one of my, while

we're telling this story, one of my major

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concerns in how California traumatized

me is the fact that I think Kentucky is

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really, really headed in this direction.

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I mean, we have custodial evaluations

in Kentucky that are becoming

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extraordinarily expensive and

much, much, much more common.

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You've got a lot of

problems outta Ca, Colorado.

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But one of the unique things, and I

know we were just at the moment where

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your heart sank after Reinhardt,

essentially according to you,

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bribed you or offered you a bribe.

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Mm-hmm.

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But y'all don't even have

cameras in courtrooms, right.

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Josh (3): We don't have cameras in

courtrooms and you know, another, there

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is no auditing or additional person,

like you're not allowed to record.

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Mm-hmm.

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I think one option to really protect the

accuracy of what's being said, right,

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is to being be at least be allowed to

record the meetings with the evaluator

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because they can very easily, and

in this case, this is what she did.

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She would make up stuff that was

said, that was never said, and because

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she's the court approved psychologist

evaluator, and I'm just some.

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Crazy dad.

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You know what I mean?

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That it, it's very, very easy to just

get away with, with, with anything

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you want to make up essentially.

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So, so yeah, I mean, I think that's

something that needs, one of the

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essential things that needs to change

is, is either cameras in the court a

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recording allowed during meetings with

the seven 30 evaluators to protect

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the integrity of what's actually being

said and actually being happened.

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Or maybe even a third neutral party

that's just there to document and to

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make sure that you know, that person is

documenting what's actually being said.

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Hugh (2): honestly.

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Yeah.

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What, I mean, I've, I've always

wondered, aside from just protecting

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somebody and giving them some immunity

to any review, what is the, what is

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the purpose of keeping people from

making records of what happens?

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Josh (3): Well, you know, Christine

hug, that's a great question.

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Christine touched on this.

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It's lucrative.

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The attorneys are making money.

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It's like having their own

personal printing money machine

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money, money printing machine.

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And so with the conflict and

with the brokenness comes the

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lucrative ness of, of the situation.

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So the attorneys don't want it to stop.

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And I, I'm not, I'm not surprised

that it's going in that direction in

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Kentucky and it's going from what I've

read and heard through my research,

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it's happening across the country.

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This is standard protocol where it's like

we create this dysfunction, you know,

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and a lot of times it's, let's take the,

this, give the, the child or children

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to the counter parents, and then let's

force the per the other parent to fight

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and just to lose everything possible

that they have to give to try and get

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back to even time with their children.

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It's literally a scam.

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It's a shakedown.

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It's just pure.

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I mean, evil is the only thing I

can think of, but it's lucrative.

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It's so lucrative.

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So that's why it's broken, because

it makes the attorney's money,

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it makes the judge's money, it

makes the evaluator's money.

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If it's so convoluted, then,

oh, now we need a monitor.

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Now we need now we need a psychologist.

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Now we need re Rene unification therapist.

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We need it.

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It's just like everybody just

comes and just grabs their, their

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stack of cash from the situation.

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Hugh (2): Well, for as a counterpoint

in my practice, those of us that

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really like to litigate cases, I mean,

we made our money from two things.

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Number one, litigating cases actually

going to court, but more importantly,

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having clients be happy with the

process and refer other people.

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I mean, it's still largely, you

advertise, you do all that stuff.

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You gotta get referrals.

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That's how you make your money.

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From my point of view as a business

person, when I was running a firm

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and, and part of a, a large firm.

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The people that I talked to hated this

process because it took things, it

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took things out of court and it made

every single client that you ever had

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absolutely miserable to where not only

do they not wanna recommend anybody,

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they never wanna talk about it again.

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'cause it's so, so awful.

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So I, I think for, from you know,

I think there's, there's certain

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attorneys who benefit from the process,

but I I, I was definitely one of

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the, the people who absolutely hated

the direction that this was going.

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Because, you know, those money,

that money is going to other people

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and a lot of times people can't

pay the attorney's bills and the

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attorneys are stuck on the case.

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And the judge isn't going to

ever put a lien on a house to

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protect an attorney's bill.

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But they might.

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Yeah, they'll,

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Christine (2): in California they do.

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Hugh (2): Well, not, not for it.

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Well, oh, yeah,

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Josh (3): yeah.

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We have, we know a father

that's being yeah, it, it, yeah.

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In California, or No,

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Hugh (2): for his own attorney

or for the GAL or FOC.

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Christine (2): His case.

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I don't think he had, he didn't have

a minor's counsel, I don't think.

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I think he just had Reinhardt.

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So I think it's an attorney's bill.

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Hugh (2): Yeah, I mean, for, for

the other side's, bill definitely.

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But I, I'm just saying when the

client has 20 people, 20 miles to

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feed and a small pot to feed them

from, the attorney oftentimes is the

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last person that actually gets paid.

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So just as a counterpoint, I know that

the people, the people that I practice

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with and the, a lot of people that just,

just think the courts should decide

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things instead of farming it out to

a lot of other individuals absolutely

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made less money because of this process.

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And we're, we absolutely hated it as well.

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Josh (3): Well, I would

say that that's a rarity.

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I, I, you know, even during a depo,

a deposition built leading up to

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my trial we were discussing Dr.

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Reinhardt and the nonsense things

that she's saying that took place.

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And so during intermission, and off the

record, I was talking to opposing counsel,

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like, you guys, like, shouldn't there have

been a third person there to make sure

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that what she's saying and I'm saying is

actually what's being brought into record.

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And and opposing counsel's just

like, whatever, like, you know,

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this whole system's broken.

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And, and like, you know,

he acknowledged that.

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And I was like, well,

shouldn't, like, shouldn't we

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all work together to fix this?

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And he is like, I don't

give a shit, not my kids.

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And that was, at that point in

time, I was like, this guy is.

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Scum up earth like this guy, he's

like, you know, he's just a real

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low life and and, and this is

coming from someone I know, this

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attorney has children of their own.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, I hope someday it's

his son and his daughter that's

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having their children stolen

and suffering the consequences

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of our broken system, you know?

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Well, I think what's, what's happening

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Christine (2): is like when I was out in

Orange County, like I said, we saw the

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same player, same act, different players.

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But what's happening is all of the

attorneys that don't like this.

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They quit like we did.

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And it's becoming more and more

and more of just these mega

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churn and burn type situations.

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Waiving rights like we've talked

about a ton of times on this case.

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But yeah, you can, you can tell, like one

of the things that traumatized me, you

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weren't there when we were doing all the

recording, was an attorney consult that

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I heard someone do and I thought, oh my

God, oh my God, this is why they hate us.

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This is why we are like the the devil.

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But to go back to.

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I wanna talk about what

you did right after.

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So your heart drops, and I know the

answer to this already, but your

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first thing that you do after you feel

this perceived bribe, what do you do?

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Josh (3): Yes.

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I immediately contact my attorney and

tell her what happened, and it was just

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like, oh, okay, well that's what happened.

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I, yes, I swear to God, this is what

was said in our first conversation, and

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they're like, well, the time is already,

the window to have her removed is

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already gone, and it's a short, you know.

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I think, I can't remember what

the, it's like a 10 day period that

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you have to contest an evaluator.

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But oftentimes you don't meet them

until two, three weeks later after

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the judge assigns the evaluator

where you're able to have your first

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conversation and interaction with the

evaluator to determine whether, oh,

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shoot, I don't want this person or not.

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Right.

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So that had already expired or passed and

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Hugh (2): Well, in some jurisdictions

it may be months before you get

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your first, your first meeting,

before you ever, depending on how

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Josh (3): many cases they have, Hugh.

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Like Absolutely.

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And so you know that there's not,

my attorney was like, basically

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there's nothing we can do.

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We got, we gotta, and.

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They opposing counsel

chose the first evaluator.

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And so the judge allowed

my attorney to choose Dr.

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Reinhardt, and that was another thing

that was used heavily against us.

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Well, you, you're the one that chose her.

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And so, so yeah, we, I mean, we get,

you know, that happens and I just, I'm

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just like, this is, this is horrible.

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But I, I, you know, foolishly,

you know, I move forward.

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I try to you know, give the

evidence that, that we had for

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so long to have her look at it.

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You know, she only met with me

individually, I believe once and then

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twice with the kids at her office for

maybe a duration of 30 minutes each time.

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So it was a really short window.

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They're not in their natural element,

like she's not coming to see them

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at my house to check out the living

conditions, to see if it's clean, to

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see, you know, whatever the case may be.

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You go into someone's house and

there's usually some red flags if

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there's some problems there, right?

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Yes.

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And so I was very eager for

her to come by my house.

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She never did that.

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Like the first evaluator did.

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She didn't wanna look at any evidence,

and it was just really weird conversations

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that most of the time were spent, her

talking about herself, her accolades, her

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comp, how long she's been doing this you

know, talking about her, talking about

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other cases that she's been a part of.

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And then it was like, okay,

evaluation's over, okay, see you next

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time, and, you know, I'll call you.

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And, and, and literally there was no.

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There was no actual investigation.

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There was no hard discussions.

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Okay, mom's saying this,

there was no investigation.

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There was zero investigation.

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And you know, it is like we brought the

kids, I brought the kids there and they

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were there briefly, and she lets them

plan this disgusting mountain of pillows

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that she has her office and she asked

them very rare very minimal questions.

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You know, my son has Down syndrome,

my oldest son in this situation.

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And so he's limited verbally.

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And then my daughter at the time, my

youngest was like two, two and a half.

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So, you know, I just, she

just did no investigation.

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It was a very weird, awkward

you know, non investigation.

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Christine (2): And so your gut's telling

you this kind of the whole time, right?

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Like, yeah, well, I'm

comparing it to the first

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Josh (3): experience, right?

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And then what's, and I'm like,

okay, maybe she just knows that

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I'm good and that like maybe, you

know, maybe this is gonna work out.

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I, I, you know, foolishly, I, I project

my kindness and my goodness on the others.

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And, and so that was kind of what

I was doing in this situation.

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You know, she had been doing this

for 40 years and was this supposed

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reputable, honorable evaluator.

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And so ultimately we go

through the whole process.

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You know, at the beginning mom was very

upset that the judge ordered her to.

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Pay half of the evaluation.

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So she was telling Dr.

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Reinhardt that she was poor, that

she didn't have the money, and

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that I'm this rich, successful guy.

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And so Reinhardt's telling me,

you need to pay mom's house.

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And I'm like, the judge didn't order that,

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Christine (2): right?

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Josh (3): And she, and, and she's like,

well, you, so the, the evaluation itself

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got delayed four or five months because

of mom, because she refused to pay.

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And Dr.

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Reinhardt was trying to convince me that

I needed to pay for her half as well.

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Christine (2): So when you, how long

between the time you meet Reinhardt

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and you get your report and tell

us about how you got the report?

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Josh (3): About nine months, you know,

like I was saying right now, it took

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about four months, five months for

mom to pay her half of the evaluation.

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And then for Dr.

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Reinhardt to start the evaluation.

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It's important for me.

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Later on during the trial, we

saw that mom had, you know,

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$50,000 in her bank account.

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She was 40 to 50 grand.

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So this of money she was sitting on,

she was not, she could have paid the

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7,000 on her side to get things started.

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She was using that to delay and was lying.

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But yeah, Dr.

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Reinhardt, I'd say about nine months.

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So, you know, she got brought in our

case, and I'm going off memory you guys,

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but I wanna say like December or November

of:

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She was involved Dr.

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Reinhardt was, I wanna say like August of

:

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year is when trial took place in 2024.

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So it, it took a long time.

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And so my attorney called me into her

office and asked me to come down to her

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office that they had the evaluation.

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And so I go there and they're

like, it's, it's not good.

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It's not good.

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You know, she was essentially saying

that I'm just, I'm not a capable

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father that I'm just, I was proud about

wanting to provide clean drug tests

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and that mom is this exceptionally

exquisite, you know, person and parent.

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No reference of my, you know,

experience with my oldest daughter.

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No

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Christine (2): reference of that.

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Josh (3): No, no reference in terms

of like, I was a proven parent.

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Like there was just, it was completely

one sided just completely one sided.

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You know, accusatory,

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Christine (2): you have a, you

have a copy of that, right?

572

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That we can look at?

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Josh (3): At No, no.

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Here in That's a great question,

Christine here in the state of ca So I

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viewed it at my attorney's office and

she goes, you cannot take this with you.

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You cannot show this with anybody.

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So I, I, I, I had to sit there in my

attorney's office with Post-Its and

578

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start labeling everything that was a

blatant provable lie in her report.

579

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And it was, you know, my, my memory served

probably at least 80 to 90, maybe just

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over a hundred different PostIts I use.

581

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That's not correct.

582

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That's not correct.

583

:

That's not correct.

584

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And you know, so.

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Christine (2): So who told you though,

this is where I get the, the legal cap.

586

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This is the stuff I

heard in orange County.

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That really is what sent me over the edge.

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Yeah, but like, so Dr.

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Reinhardt says you can't have a copy of

:

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Josh (3): No.

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So that doesn't come from her.

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It comes from my attorney.

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My attorney says this is forbidden.

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You are not allowed to, you can

view it and you can do it only this

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is completely private information.

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You can't show it to any

family members, friends.

597

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You can't post it online.

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You cannot, you know, she was

like, I can't even let you leave

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the office with this report.

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You have to sit here

and, and in my office.

601

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And I guess that's how important

or how catastrophic it could be.

602

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If I, like, I, I could be in serious

trouble from what I was explained.

603

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If I showed it to anybody and

like, I paid for this report.

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:

Christine (2): Yeah.

605

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And did, did you sign anything to

that effect that you're aware of?

606

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Josh (3): I can't remember, to be honest.

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I know, I know.

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I possibly, you know, I think so.

609

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I think I, I think once it was done,

I had to sign something, I believe.

610

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I believe so.

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:

I, I I don't, but you don't

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Christine (2): have a copy of that either?

613

:

Josh (3): I don't, I

don't have a copy of that.

614

:

To this day, I don't have

a copy of the report.

615

:

And so, you know, what happens is opposing

counsel and your attorney basically keep a

616

:

copy of it, and then you prepare for trial

or you, or you acquiesce and say, okay,

617

:

whatever, whatever the report says is

what we'll defer to, you know, so and so,

618

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Christine (2): this is where you

really have the turn of events.

619

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Essentially you get a new,

you get new counsel, right?

620

:

Josh (3): No, I got rid of my

original counsel at the, at

621

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the, after the first hearing.

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:

Okay.

623

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She intentionally lost my case.

624

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And, you know, at that point

in time I wasn't a drug addict.

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I wasn't an abuser.

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Mom was just saying that I was never in

our kids' lives or, or our son's life.

627

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And I was just like an absentee parent.

628

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And so put together,

629

:

Christine (2): there was, there was

a little glitch in the sound, so I

630

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just wanna be super, super clear.

631

:

Sure.

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:

So, at the onset of this case,

at six years, the beginning of

633

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six years, no abuse allegations.

634

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No drug allegations at all whatsoever.

635

:

None, right?

636

:

Josh (3): No.

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:

No.

638

:

So originally, no.

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:

Yes.

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:

And the first hearing mom, all mom

was really saying in her declaration

641

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is that I was never involved.

642

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I was, I lived there, the house,

you know, I bought the house for us.

643

:

It was my house I bought, you know, and

we lived in, but somehow I was never a

644

:

part of our son's life because it was

just our son at that point in time.

645

:

Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Josh (3): And so I put together this

comprehensive timeline with pictures and

647

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nano metadata attached to the showing,

because I'm in sales, I can stay home

648

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and work from home as much as possible.

649

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I have videos of me feeding our

son berries at on a Tuesday at

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9:30 AM you know what I mean?

651

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Like I had all this timeline

chronological evidence that showed

652

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what she was saying isn't true.

653

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So, that was the first, the, so to kind

654

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Christine (2): of explain, 'cause this

is gonna resonate with so many people,

655

:

Josh, is the fact that the allegations,

the severity of the allegations

656

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increased over time as the case

continued to churn and churn and churn.

657

:

Josh (3): Yeah.

658

:

Yeah.

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And part of the, you know, I'm

gonna be completely honest part of

660

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it, you know, mom and I, before we

split up, we were at a big party.

661

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It was my 40th birthday party

and there was alcohol and

662

:

there was some drugs there.

663

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And so I.

664

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You know, I, I felt like I needed to

be honest on the stand and I admitted

665

:

that yes, I, I per, I, I took some

extra stuff at that, at this party.

666

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And so that's when it was like

he's a drug addict, he's an abuser.

667

:

And kind of due to my honesty at

this one time event party that,

668

:

that's where that came from.

669

:

And she was there as

well, doing drugs as well.

670

:

So, but that, it didn't matter.

671

:

It seemed to like not matter

at all that she was there.

672

:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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:

It was, it was only like I needed to

be crucified for this, you know, thing.

674

:

Christine (2): And so

you get the evaluation.

675

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And so just the beginning,

you got no investigation.

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:

You're saying that you were essentially

offered what you felt to be a bribe.

677

:

Yeah.

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:

You don't have a copy of the report.

679

:

Mm-hmm.

680

:

This woman's never been to your house.

681

:

You're at least at this point you

are probably, what, $300,000 in?

682

:

Josh (3): Yeah.

683

:

Two, probably a little over 200,000.

684

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Where we reached that part of

going over the $300,000 mark.

685

:

And I, I laugh even though like

it's not a laughable matter 'cause

686

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I've literally lost everything

I've ever worked for for this.

687

:

But then it was time to fight Dr.

688

:

Reinhardt's report.

689

:

So we had to hire a 7 31 evaluator

and that was another, you know,

690

:

whatever, $10,000 or whatever it was.

691

:

And, and and then we had to go to trial.

692

:

And so, you know, it became another

a hundred, $140,000 all while

693

:

mom's asking for me to pay for,

to continue to pay for their fees.

694

:

They were trying to bankrupt me so

I wouldn't afford to go to trial.

695

:

Is, is basically what

they were trying to do.

696

:

That was the strategy to run me out.

697

:

And by the grace of God and by over

borrowing and basically throwing myself

698

:

immensely in debt, I had to sell my house.

699

:

Just everything.

700

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I changed companies and accepted a a

upfront bonus that I have to repay back

701

:

just to, just to keep going and fighting.

702

:

And so, yeah, I would say over $300,000.

703

:

And, and then we had to fight Dr.

704

:

Reinhardt's false reports.

705

:

Hugh (2): Yeah.

706

:

And what is some of the most fascinating

things to me is that California.

707

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Has a process for you to hire a, an

expert to contradict the seven 30 expert.

708

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Whereas, you know, in Kentucky and

in in other jurisdictions where I've

709

:

had experience, a lot of the court

appointed people, it doesn't matter.

710

:

You could hire the best, most

world renowned person in the world

711

:

to come in there, but it's almost

never going to make any difference.

712

:

So here, getting a 7 31, is this still

from the same pool of people that

713

:

are court approved or do you have

714

:

Speaker 9: Yeah,

715

:

Josh (3): I mean, yeah, I think

there's, if I recall, there's a little

716

:

bit more leeway with selecting you.

717

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You can kind of, there needs to be someone

that's approved on the approved roster.

718

:

So we went with Dr.

719

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Mann at 7 31 evaluation and that's

ultimately who my attorney said

720

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we should go with, and he did do

an absolutely phenomenal job of

721

:

meticulously going through how Dr.

722

:

Reinhardt.

723

:

N didn't follow any of the Board of

psychology's protocols, any protocols

724

:

mandated by the court and then ultimately

showed how she was just biased against me.

725

:

Her report was completely biased.

726

:

We found emails of her and mom

communicating where mom, she was

727

:

telling her how much time to give me.

728

:

I mean, that is, you know, her and,

and we, that was revealed during our

729

:

trial, you know, that is complete

collusion and like completely

730

:

illegal, you know what I mean?

731

:

For, for her to do that and way outside

the bounds of, you know, her procedure

732

:

and what she needs to be doing.

733

:

She's there to be a neutral, non-biased

investigator in this situation.

734

:

Hugh (2): So when you do a 7 31

evaluation, the person that's hired to

735

:

do that is given all of the records of

the seven 30 evaluator, it sounds like.

736

:

Yeah.

737

:

Josh (3): Yeah.

738

:

Hugh (2): Okay.

739

:

Josh (3): And the evidence as well

that we had and just kind of, you

740

:

know, and, and he was like, listen,

I am, I'm not here to say Dr.

741

:

Reinhardt's, I, I'm not here to attack

the report or her, her character.

742

:

I'm just here to just document

what she didn't do Right.

743

:

If you will.

744

:

Right?

745

:

Speaker 9: Yeah.

746

:

Yep.

747

:

Josh (3): And so really, he just did

an exceptional job and really, you

748

:

know, non-biased, really just saying

she he's he's, it is the, the worst

749

:

report he's ever seen in his life.

750

:

It was like everything that could

have would done wrong was that Dr.

751

:

Reinhart could have done wrong.

752

:

Procedurally she did.

753

:

It was complete.

754

:

It was like completely bogus.

755

:

Christine (2): Do you think if you

would've paid that extra 10 or $15,000

756

:

upfront, you would've gotten immediately

equal time just what you thought?

757

:

Josh (3): I, you know, maybe you never

know with people like that, right?

758

:

Yeah.

759

:

Like, she could have taken the

$15,000 and said, huh, fuck you.

760

:

I, you know, excuse my language

you guys, but like, screw you.

761

:

I'm taking your money and I'm still

writing the report against you.

762

:

You know what I mean?

763

:

Yeah.

764

:

So, it's why like, bribery's never good.

765

:

You know, you just, you just, you just

shouldn't participate in that behavior.

766

:

But you know, I don't know.

767

:

I, I have no idea.

768

:

It's a fair question to ask Christine,

but I honestly have no idea.

769

:

Christine (2): And so,

770

:

Hugh (2): oh, sorry.

771

:

Christine (2): No, you're good.

772

:

It's harder when we're remote, y'all.

773

:

We are all three in different places.

774

:

Yeah.

775

:

We've actually got I'm in Florida

right now, California and Kentucky.

776

:

So, what was I gonna say?

777

:

I apologize.

778

:

Oh, so you go, and this is where

the story ends well for you, right?

779

:

You win.

780

:

Josh (3): Finally after, you know, like

I said, you know, losing everything, the

781

:

delayed time with the kids and, and yeah,

I, I, at the end of the, yeah, we went

782

:

through a grueling trial over the span

a couple months at the end of:

783

:

Sorry for getting emotional.

784

:

I just, it was such like, I've

never, you know, I've lost parents.

785

:

I've been through a lot in my life.

786

:

This was the heaviest thing

that I've ever experienced.

787

:

You know, like truly there's nothing more

important than your children, obviously.

788

:

And when you have the whole world saying

that you're bad and you shouldn't be

789

:

in, in your parents' and your children's

lives, and you know that you're a

790

:

good parent and you've already been

successful at raising a child that's

791

:

thriving, going to college, getting

straight A's, you know what I mean?

792

:

Like, it's like, it is, you know,

it, it is just, it's heavy stuff.

793

:

It's so heavy stuff.

794

:

So yeah, we go to trial and

you know, originally Dr.

795

:

Reinhardt refused to testify.

796

:

In person.

797

:

She's like, I'm too old.

798

:

I'm gonna be remote.

799

:

And so we had to argue.

800

:

I was like, screw that.

801

:

If she's gonna lie about me and lie

about everything, she needs to do

802

:

it in like, you know, in person.

803

:

I'm not gonna let this monster lie about

the facts of our case and my character

804

:

from the comfort of her own home.

805

:

Mm-hmm.

806

:

So I had to pay an extra, like two

grand promised to pay an extra two

807

:

$2,500, I wanna say roughly to get Dr.

808

:

Reinhart to appear in person.

809

:

And she was a absolute disheveled shit

show from the beginning, from the onset.

810

:

My attorney did a phenomenal job.

811

:

You know, we had binders and binders and

binders of evidence, everything marked.

812

:

And so she would say, you know,

please grab this binder and we're

813

:

gonna discuss this on this page.

814

:

What?

815

:

I dunno that, I dunno.

816

:

I mean, she just was like, you know,

completely discombobulated, completely

817

:

like, and so this dragged on her testimony

was only supposed to be a day, and

818

:

it dragged on, I wanna say three days

or like two and a half days in total.

819

:

The judge was frustrated.

820

:

But during the course of that,

you really saw very clearly and

821

:

my attorney did a, a Elisa McCall.

822

:

It, a phenomenal job.

823

:

Really just exposing what

her lies and, and that she.

824

:

Massively biased against me.

825

:

One of the examples is that you

know, I submitted a, a witness

826

:

list and, you know, within that

list was a special needs teacher.

827

:

My best friend's wife is a special needs

teacher, roughly the same taking care

828

:

of or, and teaching children roughly the

same age as, as my child, and she had been

829

:

in our house over for birthday parties,

you know, over the course of the years.

830

:

And and Dr.

831

:

Reinhart refused to talk to her.

832

:

She refused to call any of

the people on my witness list.

833

:

There was another court monitor that was.

834

:

Present during a, my first meeting

835

:

my youngest child at a park.

836

:

And he documented insane behavior by mom

and her mom and the, and the grandma.

837

:

And she didn't call him, she didn't,

she refused to look at anybody and

838

:

her excuse was, or to talk to any

of my evidence or, or witnesses

839

:

because none of them were credible.

840

:

And so my attorney goes, well,

what makes somebody credible?

841

:

Well, them being a professional,

a license this, a license, this.

842

:

And she goes, well, did you

know that this person is a

843

:

licensed special needs teacher?

844

:

That's one of the witnesses.

845

:

This person is a licensed

court approved monitor.

846

:

That's another that, doesn't that

qualify under, under your definition?

847

:

Oh, well, I just, I just thought

Josh was just, you know, like

848

:

it, like complete deflection.

849

:

Many times during the court case,

she was just flustered and I've never

850

:

been questioned like this before.

851

:

No one's ever questioned

me before in my 40 years.

852

:

And so it was a very, you know,

like you, her, her arrogance.

853

:

Mm-hmm.

854

:

And really her evilness

was on full display.

855

:

Another clear perjury was her claiming

her credentials were to date and

856

:

current for her current education.

857

:

And my attorney while on the stand,

was able to go, hold on, has her staff

858

:

back in the office pull up and send

it over to her, that her credentials

859

:

were at that point in time, delinquent.

860

:

Speaker 9: Oh my delinquent

861

:

Josh (3): while she was testifying

during trial on my case.

862

:

And she goes, especially, well,

I believe they're current.

863

:

I've tooken all the tests.

864

:

I just haven't submitted them.

865

:

So I believe that I'm current

and I can't believe you are real.

866

:

Once again, it was, I can't

believe you are questioning me.

867

:

I am Dr.

868

:

Reinhart.

869

:

Don't you know who I am?

870

:

And so, it was very nerve wracking.

871

:

But it was at the end when the

judge read off his final decision

872

:

sorry, I'm getting emotional again.

873

:

Mm-hmm.

874

:

He I.

875

:

He basically, he gave her her report,

zero weight, and he listed off all

876

:

of the blatant procedural failures

and and examples of Biasness that Dr.

877

:

Reinhart did not, was

completely biased against me.

878

:

So he was giving her report, zero weight.

879

:

And then, you know, another big moment

was him basically, you know, saying

880

:

telling, saying in his final ruling that

mom was the problem, that she was just

881

:

upset that I didn't wanna be with her

anymore, and that he was giving me equal

882

:

Hugh (2): 50

883

:

Josh (3): 50 custody.

884

:

Hugh (2): Wow.

885

:

And he, he, he gave that ruling

at the end of the trial without

886

:

having to take it under submission.

887

:

Josh (3): I'm not sure

what that means to you.

888

:

It was under, it was, it was at

the end of our trial during court.

889

:

I mean, it, I it was of record.

890

:

Christine (2): So your trial

was held over several days?

891

:

Throughout several months, correct?

892

:

In California?

893

:

That is correct.

894

:

Yeah.

895

:

It wasn't consecutive.

896

:

And on the last day of trial,

this is when the judge announces.

897

:

Josh (3): Yeah.

898

:

Yeah.

899

:

And so I I recently purchased the,

that transcript from the court as well.

900

:

Really?

901

:

I can send it over to you guys.

902

:

I, I've, I paid $1,500

'cause I want all of Dr.

903

:

Reinhardt's testimony 'cause I'm

planning on doing some stuff with that.

904

:

But for right now, they only sent me

the final ruling from the last day.

905

:

And so, yeah,

906

:

Christine (2): so one, two things

really quick for our listeners.

907

:

He just said that he had to

pay $1,500 for a transcript.

908

:

Again, no video of Reinhardt

allegedly doing the hands.

909

:

And then additionally when

did you get this ruling?

910

:

Josh (3): It was in November, I wanna

say November 4th is when the judge

911

:

awarded me 50 50 and in instantly

implemented increased time and then

912

:

instantly implemented a step up plan

that over the next month or month

913

:

and a half, two months, that the

kids would be on a equal schedule.

914

:

He said he didn't want the kids to be

away from either one of us for more than

915

:

three days, so he put us on a 2, 2 3.

916

:

Christine (2): Okay.

917

:

And so that's been going on for how many

months does that make at this point?

918

:

Josh (3): Yeah, I mean,

that's been going on.

919

:

I think officially it was 50 50

equal time in February of this year.

920

:

So it's currently

September, almost October.

921

:

So yeah, it's been God, it's been so

nice to, to finally spend equal time with

922

:

my kids and and how are the kids doing?

923

:

They're, they're doing good.

924

:

They're doing really good.

925

:

We got to go on our

first vacation together.

926

:

Mind you, if my holidays didn't

land on my parenting time, you know,

927

:

mom was not giving me anything.

928

:

I haven't, I haven't spent a

Halloween with my kids, both of 'em

929

:

together, ever in the last six years.

930

:

So, this year will be the first one.

931

:

But I got to go on a, a

week vacation with them.

932

:

We went up to Monterey and Santa

Cruz and we went to the aquarium.

933

:

And, and you know, something to keep

in mind here, when, when children are

934

:

being alienated and kept from a parent,

they're also being kept from the other

935

:

family members behind that parent.

936

:

And so we got to go and stay with

my aunt and uncle up in Santa Cruz

937

:

and opt APTA California so they can

finally meet family from, from my side.

938

:

And, and so that was really special.

939

:

You know, they're, they're doing good.

940

:

I, right now, I, I, I,

941

:

Dr.

942

:

Reinhardt didn't do her

job and didn't investigate.

943

:

And because the other parent was not

held accountable for their abuse and

944

:

for their horrific behaviors and lies

over the years, this parent still

945

:

feels entitled to pull shenanigans.

946

:

So these things are still happening.

947

:

I'm really concerned for ***** right

now because she's having some potty

948

:

training regressions where like,

now she's constantly bedwetting just

949

:

in the last couple weeks, which is

completely outside of her character.

950

:

But all in all, the kids are doing good.

951

:

They're, they're loved.

952

:

They're loved and they're really

enjoying their time with dad

953

:

and, and their big sister.

954

:

And you know, it's just, and ***** has

been very minimally verbal and I

955

:

have seen a direct correlation now

with the increase of time where he's

956

:

saying like, short sentences and he's

having in more intelligent responses

957

:

to things that are being said to him.

958

:

He's really just blossoming blossoming

verbally and being able to communicate

959

:

verbally so much more on a higher level.

960

:

And he, he said he's able to say

I love you for the first time.

961

:

I've never heard before.

962

:

So that was really,

really special moments.

963

:

Hugh (2): No, that's, that's amazing.

964

:

And you, you've had the unique

opportunity of, of parenting an older

965

:

child without, you know, having the court

watching every single thing that you

966

:

do, and then parenting very young kids

through the first years of their life.

967

:

In the court system.

968

:

Can you tell us a little bit about the

different experiences that these children

969

:

are probably having, like, you know,

what they're getting from you as parent

970

:

when you're under the microscope and

when you're not under the microscope?

971

:

Josh (3): Well, they're getting a

parent, Hugh, that is a brilliant

972

:

question to ask and I'm, I'm really

grateful that you asked that.

973

:

I feel bad for, for my two youngest

children, 'cause they're not getting the

974

:

same dad that my oldest daughter got.

975

:

I was free to be goofy and to

do, you know, to be my normal

976

:

self and to parent the way.

977

:

That, you know, I would normally

parent in this situation, I'm still

978

:

dealing with a counter parent.

979

:

And it still probably has their

eyes set on degrading the current

980

:

time and the current custody.

981

:

So I have to really parent on eggshells.

982

:

I have to be extremely

careful of what I say.

983

:

I have to really approach things so

differently and, you know, I do my best

984

:

to obviously to be the best parent I

possibly can, but it is different and I,

985

:

they are getting robbed of the, of the

dad to some extent, that they should have.

986

:

Because I, I can't be my normal self.

987

:

I have to be extremely,

extremely cautious.

988

:

And, you know, I, I'm probably a little

jaded from this experience as well.

989

:

You know, we're, we're

supposed to trust our courts.

990

:

We're supposed to trust the judges,

we're supposed to trust the attorneys.

991

:

We're supposed to trust these

psychologists that are put

992

:

in a place to make these.

993

:

Paramount important decisions.

994

:

And when it completely, utterly fails

across the board and you realize

995

:

it's all about just, just extracting

money from me and, and, you know, you

996

:

know, and you wrestle, you're like,

I pay taxes so family court can exist

997

:

so they can take the rest of what I

have and take my children as well.

998

:

It, you know, it becomes

a very dark world.

999

:

And so, you know, I, I do

my best to stay positive.

:

00:47:45,462 --> 00:47:48,312

Now that my trial's done, I have

done some personal therapy to kind of

:

00:47:48,312 --> 00:47:50,022

process the things that took place.

:

00:47:50,022 --> 00:47:52,092

I want, I want to be the best dad.

:

00:47:52,092 --> 00:47:55,302

I can be the best person, the best

husband, the best brother, the best

:

00:47:55,302 --> 00:47:57,942

employee, run my business on a high level.

:

00:47:58,092 --> 00:48:01,302

And so, in order for me to even

have a chance to do any of that, you

:

00:48:01,302 --> 00:48:04,992

guys, I've had, I've had to go to

therapy and to, and to try to process

:

00:48:04,992 --> 00:48:07,272

this, you know, horrible experience.

:

00:48:07,632 --> 00:48:11,367

Christine (2): Well, and also you have

gotten on ding or drum roll, da, da, da,

:

00:48:11,372 --> 00:48:13,722

da, and that's how everyone got together.

:

00:48:13,942 --> 00:48:17,752

For me to be able to witness kind

of the power of unity and social

:

00:48:17,752 --> 00:48:23,392

media, and really for listeners,

this is not in my experience from

:

00:48:23,392 --> 00:48:25,582

what I've witnessed Josh, a one-off.

:

00:48:25,612 --> 00:48:26,182

Okay.

:

00:48:26,332 --> 00:48:30,502

And so we go to the Yelp

review in California.

:

00:48:30,502 --> 00:48:32,242

They are still using Yelp.

:

00:48:32,352 --> 00:48:33,492

But what happened there?

:

00:48:34,602 --> 00:48:38,252

Josh (3): So, you know, once the

report came out, so we're kind of going

:

00:48:38,252 --> 00:48:39,692

backwards in time a little bit here.

:

00:48:39,782 --> 00:48:39,872

Yes.

:

00:48:39,872 --> 00:48:42,467

But once the report came out,

I'm like going, what the, I, I

:

00:48:42,472 --> 00:48:43,442

can't believe what's going on.

:

00:48:43,712 --> 00:48:49,472

And so I go to Google Reviews and Yelp

and I start finding other parents that

:

00:48:49,472 --> 00:48:52,022

have had, and have left reviews on Dr.

:

00:48:52,022 --> 00:48:55,262

Reinhardt's page because I'm

like, this, I can't be the only

:

00:48:55,262 --> 00:48:56,552

one that this is happening to.

:

00:48:56,552 --> 00:48:56,912

Right.

:

00:48:57,302 --> 00:49:01,857

And so I started doing some detective

work and, excuse me, and, I start

:

00:49:01,857 --> 00:49:05,907

finding these parents, and now I'm

like, okay, how do I find this mom

:

00:49:05,967 --> 00:49:08,967

and this other mom and this dad?

:

00:49:08,967 --> 00:49:11,187

And so I start trying to find them.

:

00:49:11,447 --> 00:49:15,977

Part of my job during the day

is to do research and to find

:

00:49:15,977 --> 00:49:17,177

homeowners and properties.

:

00:49:17,177 --> 00:49:21,307

So that came in, in of value that was

of use in fighting these other parents.

:

00:49:21,307 --> 00:49:24,397

I was able to track down email

addresses, phone numbers and, and

:

00:49:24,397 --> 00:49:28,777

reach out and kind of say, Hey, you

know, and we realized, I realized two

:

00:49:28,777 --> 00:49:30,517

things while I was going through this.

:

00:49:30,517 --> 00:49:33,787

I thought it was only happening to

dads and I was kind of resentful

:

00:49:33,787 --> 00:49:35,407

towards moms, to be completely honest.

:

00:49:35,407 --> 00:49:35,737

Right.

:

00:49:35,867 --> 00:49:39,527

Then I quickly realized in, in

connecting with moms and saying, oh

:

00:49:39,527 --> 00:49:41,387

my gosh, this is happening to moms.

:

00:49:41,387 --> 00:49:44,597

And it's the, you know, my

story is, is, is horrible.

:

00:49:44,992 --> 00:49:49,377

In its own right, but nothing compared

to some of these other parents and,

:

00:49:49,382 --> 00:49:53,302

and, and what they've gone through and

how the family court has chewed them

:

00:49:53,302 --> 00:49:56,872

up and chewed their families up and

has treated them like absolute garbage

:

00:49:57,092 --> 00:49:58,412

even though they've done nothing wrong.

:

00:49:58,412 --> 00:50:00,482

So yeah, we all connected through Yelp.

:

00:50:00,692 --> 00:50:03,902

Sorry, I know that was a long-winded

answer to your question, but, we all

:

00:50:03,902 --> 00:50:07,202

connected through Yelp, and, and that's

where we started coming together.

:

00:50:07,442 --> 00:50:07,502

Yeah.

:

00:50:07,502 --> 00:50:10,662

And realizing that we needed to hold Dr.

:

00:50:10,662 --> 00:50:15,132

Reinhardt accountable and really

push to make some changes.

:

00:50:15,402 --> 00:50:19,092

And so, you know, we started

complaining to the Board of Psychology.

:

00:50:19,092 --> 00:50:21,462

We haven't touched on that

yet during this interview.

:

00:50:21,762 --> 00:50:25,662

The board of psychology here in

California is supposed to oversee

:

00:50:25,812 --> 00:50:31,872

psychologists and then, you know, listen

to complaints make sure everything their

:

00:50:31,902 --> 00:50:34,942

psychologists are operating ethically.

:

00:50:35,242 --> 00:50:35,362

Yep.

:

00:50:35,542 --> 00:50:36,952

And to the protocol.

:

00:50:37,202 --> 00:50:41,972

And so, you know, I sent the complaints

and they did a pretend investigation.

:

00:50:41,972 --> 00:50:44,762

Six months later they said, ah,

we're denying you and we're not

:

00:50:44,762 --> 00:50:46,142

gonna look at any other evidence.

:

00:50:46,142 --> 00:50:46,442

Dr.

:

00:50:46,442 --> 00:50:51,052

Reinhardt is a 40 year respected

psychologist, and we've

:

00:50:51,052 --> 00:50:52,492

never had a complaint before.

:

00:50:52,792 --> 00:50:54,082

And then I go, well, wait a second.

:

00:50:54,082 --> 00:50:57,712

I know the other parents that I

talked to, they have complained.

:

00:50:57,712 --> 00:51:00,592

So I bring that up and like, well,

they, we can't verify that anybody

:

00:51:00,592 --> 00:51:03,742

else has complained before I go, well,

is, has anybody never complained?

:

00:51:03,742 --> 00:51:05,932

Or, you can't verify that

anybody else has complained.

:

00:51:06,047 --> 00:51:10,282

And so you quickly realize

they're insulating and protecting

:

00:51:10,282 --> 00:51:15,772

and allowing these monsters to,

to operate and, and do this.

:

00:51:15,772 --> 00:51:18,352

You know, and then you layer

in the antis slapp laws.

:

00:51:18,592 --> 00:51:23,302

There's really, it's really like, you

know, it's really a situation where

:

00:51:23,302 --> 00:51:25,552

it encourages and supports corruption.

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You know, anytime you

have zero accountability.

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And power people, naturally, 99% of people

naturally are going to abuse that power.

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Take advantage of it.

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Christine (2): Yeah.

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I saw something that was actually just

in the Davis Vanguard, I wanna say this

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week, which is a California publication,

and I think this was Susan Bassey.

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It could have been someone else,

but it said that discretion

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plus immunity is probably the

most dangerous thing in America.

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And I was like, that's pretty profound.

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Mm-hmm.

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Because all of these custodial evaluators,

seven 30 evaluators, judges, et cetera,

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they've got at pretty much, you know.

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Absolute discretion

with absolute immunity.

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Obviously there's caveats in there,

but general, a generalization of it.

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And so when you're talking about

anti-slap, essentially, 'cause

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we all use different verbiage,

but what you're saying is Dr.

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Reinhardt had immunity correct?

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Because of that chronic

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Josh (3): appointment?

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Yeah, she, she has immunity, so

even if you have proof, they're

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like, oh, it's antis, slapp.

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You know, we have some of the other

parents I've connected with that

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have tried to sue her civilly and

now you know, she has to pay for

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the attorney fees and like, well,

antis, slapp, she can do essentially.

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You know, she could do whatever she wants.

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And I've, I've looked at, and I've

seen the evidence, I've seen, you

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know, I've heard conversations that Dr.

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Reinhardt has had, and it's really,

really apparent that like, this person is

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unhinged, this person is, is should not

be anywhere near children, nor have the

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power to make decisions for their lives.

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And then the, the board of

psychology is protecting them.

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I will say this.

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Or protecting her, rather.

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I will say this, you know, we've,

we've filed police reports, we have,

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you know, all of us we're, we're kind

of feeding off each other and we're

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trying to really, you know, get Dr.

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Reinhart exposed and,

and, and sent to jail.

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And we want all of her cases

that she's ever been a part

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of reopened and looked at.

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But you know, the board of Psychology,

which basically told us to, you know,

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go fly a kite and have been very

dodgy and very misleading and aloof.

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And long story short, we found

somebody, and I, we, I, I

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can say this, I know that Dr.

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Reinhart is finally being investigated.

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What, by someone above the

board of Psychology and they

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have all of our evidence.

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There's about seven of us,

eight of us now, I wanna say.

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And it is very clear that Dr.

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Reinhardt has been a corrupt, bad actor

financially benefiting from removing

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children, from parent loving, capable

parents' lives for many, many years.

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And so we're hoping that's

gonna turn into charges soon.

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And you know, we're, we're

looking at some other avenues.

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We will pursue any and all

legal avenues to hold her

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accountable and to make changes.

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We want change.

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We don't want, like, I don't want

this, none of us want any other

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child to ever, you know, or parent

to ever have to deal with this again.

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Christine (2): Yeah, I would say

that it was, I think that's a

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great place to kind of wrap up.

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We really hope that you

will come back when this Dr.

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Reinhardt stuff kind of proceeds,

and I know there's other

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parents, but it was profound.

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There was a moment where y'all were

all taking a picture together and, you

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know, everybody's in this house and

sharing their stories and just the.

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The ways in which you all were

violated because you were desperately

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telling your story first to

your lawyer, to other people.

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And I just wanna encourage, we have

a lot of lawyers that listen, but

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like, don't turn a blind eye to this.

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I'm, you know, because it could have

stopped long before it got to you

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and to all of the other parents.

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I don't wanna name them, but I'll give

you Hugh, do you have any final questions?

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Hugh (2): No, no, no.

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It's just, this is, it's my, my final

thoughts are, it's, it's wonderful to

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hear someone that came out the other side

successfully and challenged the system.

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And I applaud you for continuing the

fight afterwards and not just walking

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away and, you know, and just saying, I

don't ever want anything to do with this.

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I don't wanna talk about it

again to help, to make sure

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that this doesn't happen again.

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Yeah.

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Sort of try.

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Can

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Christine (2): I Josh will

give you the last words.

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Yeah.

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Anything else you wanna say?

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Josh (3): I just, yeah, absolutely.

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I think it's really important

that I say this to any parents

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out there that find themselves.

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In a dark place where you're fighting for

access to your children don't give up.

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No matter how dark it gets,

keep fighting for them.

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Your babies need you.

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So I want, I wanted to say that

and I wanted to also say Dr.

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Reinhart for prison:

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Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Next call.

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We need some

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Speaker 7: justice, justice, justice.

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And I wanna ring bells in public.

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I wanna ring bes in public nor crowd.

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Yeah, but I To the fo Yeah.

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I To the fo Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I to the fo fo

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