Episode 32

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Published on:

17th Oct 2025

EP 32 Resistance is Futile

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You are listening to

The Judgemental Podcast.

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We're Hugh and Christine, the Minds

Behind Judgy, the revolutionary app

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that empowers you to judge the judges.

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It's pastime for judicial accountability

and transparency within the courts.

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Prepare for sharp insights, candid

critiques, and unshakable honesty from

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two lawyers determined to save the system.

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We need some justice.

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Justice, my fine justice.

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And I wanna ring, be in public.

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I wanna ring, be in public crowd.

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Yeah.

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Christine: We're back.

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We're talking about AI

and an update on the app.

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I saw it in all of its glory for

the first time, really today,

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and I'm so beyond excited.

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It is gonna be so functional.

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Obviously I am not the expert

when it comes to this coding.

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Hugh: I love, it's gonna be so functional.

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Christine: It's so

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Hugh: functional.

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That's that's funny.

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No, it's ugly as homemade in right

now, but we're working on all of

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the functions where making sure the

back end and everything is working.

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Everything is, , it's,

yeah, it's fantastic.,

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I'm very happy with where it is.

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And then we make it pretty and go

through the testing phase, which

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hopefully will start, , early next month.

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We'll have.

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The testing going and be ready to launch.

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Christine: Yeah.

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I mean, come hell or high water, we're

gonna get this to you by Christmas.

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It'll be the best Christmas present.

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But I do wanna go ahead

and make this announcement.

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I hope that's okay.

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So we have really sold this app so

far as to be something that will

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be reviewed by attorneys, which is

verified litigants and Court watchers.

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But Hugh has added a community

component of this that I think is

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gonna be a fucking game changer.

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Hugh: Yeah, I mean, I, I hope, I

hope that it allows, it becomes

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a tool for, . Discussion.

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I know, I think, you know, in, in

the last CO or one of the last couple

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episodes we talked about, or maybe we

didn't mention in the podcast, so one of

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our guests, , some people came together

as a result of an episode and reviews

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that were left online and sort of.

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Figured out that they had seen similar

things in their cases and it resulted in a

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really great outcome for multiple people.

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And it just got me thinking about

having a cohesive community where,

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you know, these discussions , can

be moved to, I think will.

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We will, , promote that and help

that happen in a lot more cases.

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Christine: Yeah.

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And we want people 'cause

family court's so isolating.

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And there are patterns and there

are certainly patterns that I see

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with different judges or different

GS or FOCs or custodial evaluators.

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And we wanna give it to

you all to rate the judges.

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We want to be wrong

about some of the judges.

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We want accountability, transparency, we

wanna hear the good, the bad, the ugly.

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But I think giving you a community, and I

would just urge everyone I know no one's

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gonna listen to me, but the family court

reform movement to just stop trying to

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come, you know, at everyone within the

movement instead of going big picture

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to change the system for the better.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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And for, and for instance, so I

mean, if, if we're able , to, , tag

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names people that are involved in

the case, and then people can, you

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know, if they have a case and they can

run through our community features.

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Run those names through and see

other people's experience with them.

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I mean, that could be life and

death , in some of these cases.

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Mm-hmm.

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To realize that this is, this

is why this is happening.

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Mm-hmm.

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Here's how they've dealt with it.

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I mean, , it can make the difference

in winning and losing , a custody case.

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Christine: Yeah.

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And for everyone listening

too, like, we really get this.

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Same players all the time.

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Yeah.

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Like there are a couple judges that we

very rarely, if ever get complaints about.

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I mean, and one or two that

doesn't, that's not necessarily

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representative of the system.

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There are the same GALs FOCs,

the same custodial evaluators.

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Yep.

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And the same judges that we get over and

over and over with the same fact pattern.

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Hugh: Oh, sure.

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No, and, and what we've realized,

, since we be began doing this and

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talking to people throughout the

country is it's similar everywhere.

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Mm-hmm.

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That it's not, you know, that so

far we've not talked to anyone

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where there's just this huge pool of

FOCs or GALs that work in the case.

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There's, there's a handful.

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Mm-hmm.

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They're relied on all the time.

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They have too many cases and you

hear the exact same complaints

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and, and problems with, with the

system that you, that we saw here.

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Christine: Yep.

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And custodial evaluators, and

I'll go out, this is my opinion in

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particular, but custodial evaluators,

and we'll go down this rabbit hole.

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I don't believe in 'em.

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And I think there is like some

inherent, , evil or inherent.

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Badness that comes with those.

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Like, I, I can't, what we're seeing

nationwide and the problems that we've

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seen with custodial evaluators and like

the evaluator outta Colorado that faked

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her credentials and got sentenced to four

years in prison, or the case, , where

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somebody was, you know, charged with

something and then completely acquitted

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and there's a defamation lawsuit.

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You have a lot of these custodial

evaluators that are just kind of, , doing

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some nefarious stuff again, in my opinion.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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, And.

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Through either the podcast

or other, . Reviews online or

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just other channels online?

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Some of these people, you know, once

they found out that this, , a specific

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evaluator got in trouble and had to refund

money in a case, they realized, oh, that's

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the person in my case, that was the same

thing that happened in mine, and now

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they've been able to go back in , and get

money back , and change things in their

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cases because they've heard about it.

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Yeah.

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That's why we want to be, we want

to be the hub of the community so

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that we can help people do that.

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And people aren't just having to

search far and wide across Reddit

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and across, you know, online.

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Mm-hmm.

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We, we want those communications

occurring in one place so that people

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can find that information that could

be really critical in their cases.

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Christine: And I literally cannot

wait for you all to see it.

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, Speaking of apps, there was an

NBC thing that I sent Hugh last

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night talking about a woman.

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, That utilized AI to win her appeal.

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So we're gonna dedicate this episode.

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This will be short and sweet.

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Listen to it on your way to work

all about how chat GBT and AI are

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the future of the legal profession.

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Hugh: Yeah, I mean there's, I agree.

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Now then this particular case,

I think she was, , evicted.

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So this was a very basic here in

Kentucky to be a district court matter.

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Really one criteria, one set of criteria.

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Very simple.

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But, she had been evicted and

felt that there had been an

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error in reaching that, decision.

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She didn't have money for an

attorney, , especially for something

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that simple and started looking, , for

answers through Chet GPT and got the

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answers and, and started asking it

about, you know, what to do about it.

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And it guided her through

writing an appeal that she was

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successful at writing and that.

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That doesn't surprise me because

you know, the, the output is

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only as good as the input.

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But if you and I can see someone who

comes in and doesn't know much about AI

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and doesn't know how to manipulate it and

prompt it correctly, and just treating

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it as very conversational and maybe.

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Maybe giving it a little

bit too much information.

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Mm-hmm.

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Might have stumbled onto

writing a really good prompt.

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Yeah.

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And it giving the right the results.

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'cause it certainly is

capable of doing anything and

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everything , on a case like that.

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Christine: Yeah.

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I mean, you know, AI makes me nervous

and there are circumstances where

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you can get to circuit court for

evictions and I'm gonna be honest.

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Are there.

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Yeah.

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, I'm not familiar with that law.

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Me either, but you're going to have Ms.

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Me Oliver on, , and she is the one that

was incarcerated by Tracy Davis after

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there were allegations that she had

recorded during a court proceeding.

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, And she also currently has litigation

talking about the school to prison

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pipeline, , against President Donald J.

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Trump.

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I can't wait to have her on.

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, And I think she probably utilizes ai.

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She's a pro se advocate, litigant.

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, That's done a lot of stuff, but I

do think as far as AI helping pro se

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people, it's gonna be a game changer.

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Hugh: Well, I mean, it

helps in so many other ways.

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So, I mean, , I know that the

controversy over, oh, it could

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never do what attorneys do.

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, If you mean like, here's

the problem, write my brief.

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No, it's not going to.

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But if it is.

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, The legal research and cross-checking

things and looking at transcripts and

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comparing those to the findings, there

is nothing better than AI for doing that.

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And there are programs that attorneys

have used for a long time that are very

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expensive, where you'll load mm-hmm.

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Two PDFs in, and it'll give you a list

of all of the differences in all of that.

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It may be like hundreds and hundreds of

dollars a month to subscribe to that.

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, These, uh, you know, the, a free version

of Chet PT will do a better job of that.

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Yep.

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And we'll give you a, you can

customize the details all you want.

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Now, are you gonna go in and cite it?

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No, absolutely not.

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But you're going to potentially save

yourself six hours of reading through

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hundreds of deposition transcripts and

comparing them against court orders Yeah.

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And things like that.

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And it will give you the starting point.

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And then once you have the

starting point, it, I mean, it's.

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The, it's so contrary to

the hourly billing model.

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Yep.

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That I, you know, definitely

concerns about it hallucinating

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and it making stuff up.

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Christine: That's a word, right?

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That's like a term of art.

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Hugh: Well, hallucination is just

where, , AI will invent a fact.

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It won't find citations for it.

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So you ask it to LOL, I'm

gonna start using that

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Christine: Ir in real life.

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I'm,

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Hugh: I just hallucinated.

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Sorry.

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It's like the AI equivalent of

a brain fart itself for the, it

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will write it convincingly as if

there , is, , authority for it.

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Mm-hmm.

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And apparently, you know, according to

this article, , sorry, the, the news

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story, hundreds of citations that were

just completely made up, if already made

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it into court cases, I would wager a

bet that it's thousands and thousands.

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Yeah.

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If you look at the

actual state court level.

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'cause you know, people are using this.

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Christine: Oh yeah.

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, Hugh: And.

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There are easy ways to get around that.

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I mean, you can simply ask AI to

tell you the citation and pull copies

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of any citations that users, there

are 20 different ways that you can

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make sure that that doesn't happen.

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But yeah, there def definitely

problems that you run into.

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But I think that most of the pushback

against this is going to be from those

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who stand to lose money from efficiency.

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And I, and I think there, there are

lots, there's , a lot of technology.

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That attorneys are going to

push back on because they can't

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bill as much for each task.

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Oh yeah.

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And that's Well, and I

wanna asks a real shame

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Christine: tell attorneys right

now, , and I'm gonna do, we're gonna

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do a little experiment in real time,

but I guarantee you chat, GBT is

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never gonna wave a dare versus berton.

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So I don't wanna hear from y'all.

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Oh, I can do better.

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I can do better, you know what I mean?

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Hugh: Or sign an agreed order

that gives a third party judicial.

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Powers.

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Christine: Oh my gosh.

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That is case that we case

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Hugh: just, just reviewed.

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Yeah, I mean, it's definitely not

going to replace every single thing

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that attorneys can do, but there are

certain things that it can already do

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much better than a lot of attorneys.

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And , I know that'll make people

angry saying it, but it really does.

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Christine: You should see this answer.

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I mean, it is so good.

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Hugh: Oh.

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No, what, what's the experiment?

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Christine: I said, should

an attorney waive a Adair v.

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Emberton in a Kentucky, , custody case?

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And it gave me a full breakdown.

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It's got due process in bold.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And everyone listening,

this is Hughes case.

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It talks about 4 0 3, 300 proper

use of friend of the court, and

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Hugh: you didn't feed it the case.

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Christine: I fed it.

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Should you waive Adair vs.

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Embertson,

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Hugh: but you didn't give it

a copy of the case to read.

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And this, this is what a free ver is.

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This the free account?

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Free ChatGPT?

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This is, this is Google Gemini.

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Yeah.

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That's free.

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Oh, this is just Gemini.

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The free built into a browser.

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Gemini Answer.

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Yes.

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Researched, read the case, understood it.

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Recognized the due process issues.

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And gave an intelligent answer.

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Christine: I'm gonna screenshot this,

we should put this up with Yeah, I,

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Hugh: I agree.

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But

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Christine: in summary, a air versus berton

is a tool for an attorney to ensure due

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process and proper use of FOC evidence.

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Waiving, it could mean relinquishing the

right to make those procedural objections.

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, They should have said that at the.

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Freaking CLE, the

Louisville Bar Association.

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Y'all did?

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Yeah.

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Don't wave Adair v.

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Emberton, in my opinion, not legal advice.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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And you know, one of the things,

you know, computers are good

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at black and white type things.

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And, and I think a lot of the criticism

of AI working in professional capacities

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, is the nuance and the, and the, and

I think, I think those concerns are

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unfounded, but when there are there.

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There's a lot that we talk about here,

like due process and constitutional

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issues that really are black and white.

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Mm-hmm.

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And this, you know, your little experiment

there really shows when looking at things

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on, on a bigger scale, black and right,

white constitutional rights issues.

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Where it really has its strengths.

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Christine: Yeah.

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Hugh: Is outshining a lot of what

we've seen actually in the courts.

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Christine: And I'm screenshotting this

and I did not have a plan to do this.

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One thing that I will say though,

and I think there's a really, really

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strong argument that it's not just a

procedural due Right, , due process.

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Right.

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That it's substantive.

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. Hugh: Yeah.

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No, I think that's interesting.

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It probably pulled that language

from the, court of Appeals decision.

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Christine: It probably did,

but I think as far as like

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preservation and things like that.

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Like I would argue that it's substantive

and I can't ever say that word.

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Right.

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\ And there's so much, I mean, you're gonna

be like, I wanna see, 'cause he has like

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an, you have like a real ai don't you?

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Hugh: Oh, I, yeah.

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I have a lot of custom things that I've

trained for various tasks that I use.

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All day, every day.

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Christine: I want you to, I'm gonna,

I screenshot all this, but I think

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you should ask the same prompt to

yours and see what the difference is.

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Okay?

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And I think we should put this up for

everybody 'cause it is interesting

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to think about, you know, , AI being

utilized along with an attorney.

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And if you have a good attorney, an

attorney, a good attorney wants you to

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do your research, wants you to question,

then want you to have these conversations.

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Hugh: I mean, anything that you

can do to help your attorney

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Christine: mm-hmm.

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Hugh: I if your attorney is upset that

you're doing things that further the case,

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then you know, there's a conversation that

you need to have with your attorney there.

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But, , no matter how deep they are

and passionate they are about a case.

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They have a lot of other things

going on, and attorneys are

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just always extremely busy.

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So, you know, if you can just take away.

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Some of the need to educate

you about these things.

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If you can go in and do research

about, you know, what is, what's

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the difference between procedural

and substantive due process?

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Yeah.

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And go through and read some of that and

not have to pay your hourly rate for an

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attorney to walk you through that stuff.

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The, I promise you, the attorney

would love that if you came in

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with an understanding of it.

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I loved talking to clients who really

were up to speed and understood things,

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and you didn't have to sit and think

about how you explained everything.

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You could just.

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Say what you felt about the case

and like, . You know, talk about

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the legal strategy knowing that they

probably understood more about it.

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Christine: Yeah.

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'cause we love the law and I think

that's the unique thing that you get in

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family court that you don't get in all

other areas and it's not a good thing.

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But so much is of the

emotion is talked about.

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And I don't like talking about

that like at all with people.

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Like, I don't like with clients

like having to do the management.

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Of the emotional aspects of it now.

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I mean, I do, and I don't wanna

say like, but I like talking about

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the law, making legal arguments.

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When I first started in family court,

I was like, if I'm on your case for

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more than a year, you need to fire me

and find somebody else to get it done.

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Now obviously things changed

and the delays and everything.

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Yeah, were exacerbated now.

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It's

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Hugh: almost a guarantee.

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If your case is litigated, it's

gonna be a hundred percent.

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Christine: Oh, it's almost

guaranteed to get a divorce.

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I mean, to get into mediation if you had.

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Any sort of disagreement.

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Not just the whole case.

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It's disgusting, quite frankly.

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Hugh: No, it's, it's, it's, yeah.

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It's bad.

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Christine: Yeah.

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, I, I

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Hugh: always, when I first met with

people, I talked about getting a

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counselor or someone they could

talk with, you know, and just Oh.

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Saying, so.

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Okay.

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It's not necessarily saying you're

depressed or you're anxious or anything,

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but there are certain things that they

can help with and just talk about that

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you're wanting to talk to me about and.

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Happy to talk to you about it,

but I'm a lot more expensive.

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Mm-hmm.

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I'm extremely jaded 'cause this

is all that I do and, um, I

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Christine: got no problems.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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Well, you know, yes.

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That's going on in the back of my head.

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Although, honestly, the more people

talk to me about their cases, the more.

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Yeah, , I think I, I oftentimes

my wife get in an, and I get in an

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argument I annoy her because it just

doesn't seem like as big a deal.

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Yeah.

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'cause of when I was practicing,

I just saw 50 times worse,

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you know, all day, every day.

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But, but I mean, it's.

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That's not why you hired me.

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I always explain, that's

not why you hired me.

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You hired me for this

legal side of things.

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Not to get dug in on the emotional

side, you want an objective person

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that can look at this and say,

why this is a strong argument.

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Mm-hmm.

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Why we should actually focus

on this versus that and not

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get down, you know, and, and.

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You know, mired in, in all of the

emotional stuff, and there are people

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that are far better for it so that

you can be more focused when we sit

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down and talk about legal strategy.

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And I would urge you to get involved

and, you know, pick your own.

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Yep.

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I don't care.

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Here's some people that , I had a list

of people that, based on my client's

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personality, I thought would be a good

match, but I didn't care who they went to.

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Christine: Well, just to be clear

too, because this is where sometimes

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people that haven't been involved

in the system and the road to hell,,

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is paved with good intentions.

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But I am all for therapy.

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I am all for learning about yourself.

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But be very careful with

the court appointed.

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Hugh: Oh yeah.

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Christine: That's a difference.

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Like when you come to an attorney

and they recommend that you go

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see a therapist that's very d.

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Then them recommending we get a

court order to have a therapist

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appointed, that's gonna be a

witness potentially in a case.

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Hugh: Well, I left out an awful lot

about what I told people, 'cause I

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don't want to give legal advice to our

audience, but there were a lot of pick

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someone, but here the parameters, because

this person's records will likely be

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subpoenaed and you know, there, there

are ways to deal with it where you're

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not causing yourself more of a problem.

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But that was.

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That's, that's more attorney

client stuff that I Yeah, but I'm,

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Christine: I'm nervous too.

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I mean, you also could ask ai,

like what are the pros and cons of

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having a court appointed GALA court

appointed therapist, the children

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having court appointed therapist.

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Custodial evaluator.

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And I think you're gonna see a lot

of pushback with the AI answers.

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Where it seems to me nowadays that I

talked to three people, I wanna three, was

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it two or three that were saying in the

second conversation they had with their

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attorney, they were recommending an FOC.

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That's bizarre to me.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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I mean, it's hard to criticize

without knowing the circumstances

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of each one, but I do think that

that's, that's a high number.

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Mm-hmm.

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I mean, I've always said there were

circumstances where same attorney,

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I saw the fact pattern that I know

how an FOC is going to handle it and

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that it's gonna go my client's way.

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That I've, I've had this same case

in front of this same judge and I

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know what works in front of that

judge, then I would recommend that.

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But there was just limited circumstances

and that was just not because I thought

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it was a great process in general.

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Yeah.

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Or should be part of it.

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But that was the be gonna be

the best outcome for my clients.

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So there were times I did it, but there

are just people that are bought into it.

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Like, oh, there are kids involved.

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Boom.

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We got, we have professionals

for that that are great at

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kid stuff, but they're not.

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They're not.

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They're not.

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It's everyone offloading the

kid stuff 'cause they don't

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wanna deal with the hard stuff.

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Yep.

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And appointing people who

are no better qualified.

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Yep.

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And are way overworked and don't have

time, you know, the time to put into

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it and it's just too much delegation

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Christine: And also.

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It's good, you know, it takes a village

type thing, but like if you have

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ai, like a chat GBT, along with your

attorney, let's say your attorney tells

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you something, you ask chat GBT, and

you get a different answer and you talk

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to your attorney and your attorney's

like, oh, this is why it's nuanced here.

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Like that's something

that you know absolutely.

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You, it could absolutely happen,

but I just think it would be very

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bizarre for an attorney to get

super, super, super defensive.

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Now, if it was second guessing absolutely

everything that you were doing or that

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feeling like, Hey, you know what I mean?

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I could see where that would be a problem.

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Hugh: Well, the easier way to do it

before you present it to the attorney.

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I mean, and anything that you do on ai,

whether it's legal or anything else.

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One of the simplest tricks is

to just ask it its sources and

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have it summarize the sources.

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Tell you if you got your, if you formed

your opinion based on other sources.

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Yeah.

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What are those sources?

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And gimme a summary of the

political leanings or Yeah.

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Of the types of things that

those sources report on.

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And you can get an idea of whether, , the

information you're getting from that.

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, Ai, LLM,

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. Christine: What's LLM mean?

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, Hugh: Large language model.

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, Sorry.

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That's, , chat.

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GPT, Claude.

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Those are large language model.

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, They're sort of chatbots that you

can access a large language model.

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So does it means

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Christine: something different legally?

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You can get an LLM.

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Hugh: Oh, yeah.

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No, no, that's true.

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I, yeah, so

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if you're, if you're getting a strong

answer or something and you ask its

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sources, you may find that all of

the information that's out there.

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Is from a small handful of people who

all feel the same way about something.

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And that's, that's how search engines,

that's how, I mean, people talk about

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AI being manipulated in that way.

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Yeah.

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But search engines are the same way.

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Christine: Wikipedia.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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Or Google.

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If you Google something, it's going to

give you answers based on what's there.

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It's not going to, you know,

before it wouldn't make things up.

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For the most part, AI

is not making stuff up.

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It's just hall hallucinating,

a different way, hallucinating.

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It's just looking at the stuff

that's out there the same

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way a search engine does it.

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It's just thinking about it

and communicating it back to

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you a little bit differently.

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I mean, it's just a glorified

version of a search engine.

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Yeah.

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When you are using it in the way that

we're talking about, there are things

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that it can do that's, you know, very

different than a search engine, but

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when you're searching things, just

know that what it's feeding you may be.

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All that's out there.

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Christine: Yeah.

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Hugh: But it may not be unbiased, it

may not be looking at a broad source

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of things , and just asking it where it

got its information could be, , and if

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you go into your attorney and say, well,

Tet EPT tells me we should be doing it

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this way, but it did get, it, got that

opinion from only one or two places.

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Christine: Yeah.

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I mean, that's interesting.

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I, you know, I'm really

scared of AI in a lot of ways.

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, That being said, you know, I

utilize it and I do think it's

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gonna be a tool in the toolbox that

attorneys are gonna have to use.

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You're gonna see attorneys really push

back and you should be weary of that.

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, I do think, you know, it, , it's

gonna change the profession.

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Um, and I think billable hours

for family court need to go.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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, I agree with that.

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Having, you know, having made

my career on billable hours.

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But you, you're kind of forced to.

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Yeah.

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You don't, I mean, we've,

we've heard stories.

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, We've sat down and talked to people

that have tried to buck the hourly.

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Billing stuff and even I work for

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Christine: a firm.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Hugh: And bar associations go after 'em.

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It's, I mean, it's ingrained in the

system that this is how you have

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to do it and it's, and it's one

of the big reasons that people are

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going to fight against deficiency.

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But I mean,

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Christine: I think it's too late.

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Like I think they fought it too much.

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It's coming.

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People are gonna use that for sure.

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You know?

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Hugh: But let, let's think about this.

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Even if you're not using it

for legal research or you're

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not exposing it to any client

information, and there's this whole.

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There's a way that you can do it.

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'cause hospitals are using AI for

everything and they're protected by

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more stringent rules than attorneys.

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There are ways to do it.

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Now, you could screw it up really

badly if you don't know those

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ways and you're not trained in it.

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But when you're talking about just.

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Inbox management, phone call

management, client, you know,

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getting things out and like just

having routines that cut down on.

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People are gonna see a 0.3

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from a paralegal to send an email.

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Yeah.

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Oh, it can be automated.

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Save people a ton of money.

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And then you, you, you don't get into the

AI screwing things up in the legal case,

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there's so many ways that it can be used

that aren't, no one could even question

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the value of that they're gonna fight back

against because it costs the firms money.

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Christine: Yeah.

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And they're gonna fight back in

a way that's gonna ultimately

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hurt the legal profession.

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And I'm much more interested in how it can

help the litigant and the pro se person.

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Sure.

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And you wanna find an

attorney that can do both.

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And we will wrap up and I will.

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Say, , I lost, I'm adamant in my position,

but I did lose, I've lost the poll.

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I've lost one of my

longtime followers and fans.

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April.

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I'm just kidding.

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Thank you for your feedback.

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, Hugh: Thank you April.

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Thank you.

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People prefer my new favorite person

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Christine: Zoom court.

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And I mean, I am saying it's the

beginning of the end for me, but

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I, you know, it won't be the first

time I've been wrong, but yes.

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Overwhelming and we want.

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Guys, get up in the comments.

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Just be respectful.

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Like, just, you know,

but get in the comments.

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Tell us what you think, tell us

what you want us to fight about.

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, So first and only time Berro has won.

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Cheers.

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Yeah, cheers on our

little sparkling waters.

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Cheer all.

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We'll be back and we're gonna talk

about just some wild case that happened

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in Kentucky where I think attorneys,

GAls, everybody made a mistake probably.

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Hugh: Yep.

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I, we probably aren't

gonna fight much on that

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Christine: LOL.

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All right, bye y'all.

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Oh Judgey judge y.com

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Hugh: Peace.

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