Ep 73 Back for More

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christine (2): You are listening

to The Judgemental Podcast.

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Hugh (2): We're Hugh and Christine, the

Minds Behind Judgy, the revolutionary app

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that empowers you to judge the judges.

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christine (2): It's pastime

for judicial accountability and

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transparency within the courts.

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Hugh (2): Prepare for sharp

insights, candid critiques, and

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unshakable honesty from two lawyers

determined to save the system.

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We need some justice.

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Justice, my fine justice.

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And I wanna ring, be in public.

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I wanna ring, be in public crowd.

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Yeah.

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christine (2): Season

two judgmental podcast.

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We are back.

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Y'all.

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It has been a long break.

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Hugh (2): Yeah, it feels like it.

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It's also, . It's , hard to remember

how to use the equipment again.

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christine (2): Oh, I know.

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, For the reasons oh my God.

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I can't speak English anymore.

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It's been a long time

since we've done this.

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The app launched today, Friday the 13th.

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Hugh (2): Oh man.

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At midnight.

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christine (2): Yes.

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And at

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Hugh (2): midnight.

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christine (2): We were up late.

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He was up later than I.

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It's been a wild whirlwind, I

would say the last two months with

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everything just trying to get all the

data and get this app and how it's

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grown from our original thoughts.

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I'm so proud of it.

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Hugh (2): Yeah, I gotta

reflect on it a little bit.

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Yeah.

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I'm still down in it.

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christine (2): Oh,

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Hugh (2): I know.

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Still swatting bugs and, and,

and fixing things and making

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sure everything's running right.

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And yes.

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Checking on things.

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But it's been, been about as smooth as it

could be expected for our first release,

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christine (2): so Oh my gosh.

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Our first app ever.

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Hugh (2): Yep.

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christine (2): And so, so things,

it's an app to rate the judges, to

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judge the judges like they judge you.

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We've got 18,555 judges.

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We have had.

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I did a post about a day ago saying,

name your state, which, you know,

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where do you wanna judge the judges?

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And I think to date, we've

had 45 states respond.

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Hugh (2): Yeah.

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That's pretty, pretty awesome.

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christine (2): Yes.

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Hugh (2): Yep.

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And we have had people signing up

for it are from all over the country.

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Yeah.

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And it's only available in North America.

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So they're probably people that you

know that, that have commented on

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things and that, that aren't able

to download it at the moment, but.

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christine (2): And just for the judges

listening season one, I went over

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that last night to see our analytics.

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We had downloads in 27

countries and five continents.

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Hugh (2): Yep.

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christine (2): And so everyone is

interested in judicial accountability.

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So we wanna, what I'm gonna start doing

is at eight o'clock, for at least the

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next two weeks, there will be a TikTok

Live, or an Instagram Live, or a Facebook

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Live, or a live on one of my platforms.

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Where I'm just gonna answer questions

and do tutorials and so you guys can

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see what the app can be because we

really need y'all to join, give your

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information to grow the community, right?

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Yep,

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Hugh (2): that's right.

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christine (2): So for free, everyone

can judge any judge that they want to.

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Obviously you need to abide by the

terms of our, using the platform, which

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means you can't just like make it up.

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You have to have experience.

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You have to be a court watcher or

have been in front of that judge at

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Hugh (2): practice.

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Yeah.

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There's a questionnaire to ask what's

your experiences, you know, when the last

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time you were in front of that judge.

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Mm-hmm.

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We wanna know all of that stuff.

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Yeah.

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And we.

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We, you know, we have moderation

to weed out people that are just

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going in and flaming people.

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And some of the, some, you know, we, we

might have to do that with people that

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are sneaking on there to give themselves

five star ratings, then deleting their

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accounts, which we've had from some

judges here in the first day, but.

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christine (2): LOL

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Hugh (2): We knew it was going to happen.

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christine (2): Yes.

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But honestly too, we've had some

five star reviews out of Texas.

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We've had five star reviews and they're

from litigants and they're legitimate.

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When you read 'em, it's like,

listen, if you're gonna be in front

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of a judge, this is the judge you

wanna be in front of which I love.

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You know, last night if y'all

were following me, I talked

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about I want to be wrong.

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I want the TikTok judge to have the

highest rating, and I want her to

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have helped every single man, woman,

and child that appeared before her.

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Okay.

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I,

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Hugh (2): I mean, from my point of

view, I was afraid, I mean, the people,

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let's, like with most online reviews,

the people that are most motivated are

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gonna be the people that are angry.

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And I wondered how long before people

started going on and complimenting

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judges and talking about what a good job

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christine (2): mm-hmm.

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Hugh (2): People did.

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And it was immediate.

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Yep.

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And I was very happy to see that because

that's, that was a big worry that I had.

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And we've gotten really, I

mean, some of the reviews are.

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Just positive feedback for people

that have recently been in front of

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judges who have done a fantastic job.

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christine (2): Yeah.

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And we've got some attorney reviews it

looks like outta Louisville District

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Court that are very complimentary.

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You know, they may say, Hey, listen,

this judge does everything right.

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This is the judge I wanna be in

front of, you know, I just wish this

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judge could get to court on time.

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Like, it may just be like

there's one that's like a 4.1

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or a 4.2.

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The timeliness was an issue, which

maybe that judge will look at that

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and say, Hey, listen, you know what?

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Maybe I need to get to work on

time, which you would think would

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be a no-brainer, but I digs.

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But it's here also to help the

judges and we have, this is on Google

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Play, apple Store and our web app.

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So we will be able to share the

links for people to see, and we're

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gonna start doing reviews of the

week and all kinds of things.

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We have so many ideas.

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Hugh (2): Yes.

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And you mentioned it is, I mean,

also there to help the judges.

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Mm-hmm.

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I mean, we want people to see if people

are complimenting you, and just say,

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you know, it'd be perfect if they

would actually get to court on time.

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I think that would be.

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Useful to know Right now the database is

not public in, in as much as you have to.

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You have to have a login

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christine (2): mm-hmm.

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Hugh (2): To look at.

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It's free, like the looking at the

reviews and rating judges is free at

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the moment when it's been launched

for a period of time, and it's, it's.

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You know, a lot more filled out and

there are a lot more actual reviews.

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We will make it public.

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Mm-hmm.

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To where people can go

and view the reviews.

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They won't be able to rate the

judges without having a login, but

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they'll be able to review them.

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We want to make it to where

this is public information.

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It's just, right now we're building

the community, we're building the

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reviews, and anybody can go on for free.

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You just have to log in.

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You can actually do it anonymously.

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You can build one out.

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You can rate anonymously.

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In fact, we want people to understand

who is rating the judges, but only

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in as much as is it an attorney?

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Is it a litigant?

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How long ago have they been

in front of this judge?

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How much experience have they

had in front of this judge?

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That's important, not the identity.

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So we're protecting people's

identity so they don't have to

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worry about retribution or community

backlash or anything like that.

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But yeah, we ultimately, this is

going to be a public database.

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Yeah.

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christine (2): What's super important

is to get on there for the community.

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So we do have premium features and

that is only $9 a month, $9 99 cents a

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month, or a hundred dollars for a year.

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And that's where you can go and

literally, like, you can be like,

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hypothetically speaking, I wanna go do

a post about how often Jim Murphy is

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appointed in Brian Gatewood courtroom.

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We've done investigations

about how that's a land.

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Landlord, tenant relationship.

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And so you would just tag.

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And so anytime that you had Jim

Murphy appointed in Brian Gate,

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what's easy to search and everybody

can sort of get an understanding of

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what happens and kind of expose these

patterns and also expose good things.

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You know what I mean?

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Like Sure.

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I would love for it to be, you know, a

judge that's linked with compassionate.

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Reunification of a family like that

would be amazing to see the judges

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that stay after hours and work hard

because we don't want the good judges

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to be lost in this because there

are so many good judges out there.

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You know, that just goes back to

holding other, their counterparts.

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Or is it not counterparts?

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They're colleagues accountable.

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My goodness.

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It's difficult when we

don't record for that long.

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Hugh (2): Yeah, no, it is kind of

strange to be sitting back here again.

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Yeah, it's good.

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But it's, kind of weird.

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I don't know where to look.

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christine (2): Yeah, it is, we've got so

many stories we've been working on too.

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We have so much the next six

months are just gonna be insane.

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Hugh (2): Yeah, well there's,

there's a lot to talk about.

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As far as, you know, using the community

features, one of the things we built it

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for is so that you can tag a judge in a

thread and every post and you follow them.

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You will just know whenever

someone else reaches out.

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So if you're a litigant and you're

in front of a judge and you're trying

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to figure out people's experiences

there, you want to be on the community

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feature, you want to, you wanna reach

out and ask you, tag the judge in it.

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Say Anybody had experience with this

judge, and everyone that posts there,

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you'll get notified of, and it'll

keep them all together in one place.

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Mm-hmm.

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You can post polls, but you can also, you

know, ask about non court a non judge.

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Court personnel or other attorneys mm-hmm.

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And things like that.

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And you can follow that thread.

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So if anybody answers it, you know,

you're going to get notified of it.

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And everything is sort of

kept together that way.

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And it's to help people that are

litigants, help people that are attorneys.

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If you're an attorney going into

another county and you are worried

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about getting home cooked, and you

need to know what a judge is like the.

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Community is where you're going to find

that information and get first stand

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experiences from other people that

practice regularly in front of that judge.

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christine (2): Like for example, you could

easily do a community thread that's like.

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Hey, has anybody ever had Christine

Miller in front of Derwin Webb?

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And then people could be like, oh my gosh.

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You know what I mean?

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Comment.

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Yes, she did.

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Was successful.

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The judge respected her.

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Or, oh my gosh, you know, the

judge didn't respect her and was

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doing blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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That's the point of it.

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Right?

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So you will be informed.

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You can also follow any judge

in the country and just follow

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the judge that's being rated.

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Yep.

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And what that'll do, you don't even

have to rate the judge, but if you

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just say, Hey, I'm in front of,

I'm trying to think of a different.

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Doreen Goodwin.

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Just follow that judge.

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And so you'll be updated

every time there's a review.

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And the goal is to have thousands,

hundreds of reviews so you can get a true,

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because obviously, you know what I mean.

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There's gonna be people that have

bad experiences and there's gonna

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be people that , aren't indicative

of how the judges at all times.

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But the point is, if there's a

hundred reviews and there's two

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good ones, that's a problem.

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If there's a hundred

reviews and there are two.

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Scathing ones.

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You know, sometimes a judge that's

doing their job adequately is

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gonna make people upset, obviously.

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Hugh (2): Yep.

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And once people move the discussions

about the judges away from, you know,

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email lists and things into judgey, into

the community section, the practitioners

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are going to need to be on there to

follow the judges that they practice

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in front of to hear what's happened.

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You learn a lot from what people

report about what happens in court.

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Mm-hmm.

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The same way, you know, the small law

Facebook groups and things like that

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where people report what happened in their

court and you think, oh man, I've got a

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hearing in front of this judge next week.

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I need to be prepared for that.

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That's.

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Where this information is going to be.

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christine (2): Oh yeah.

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I can't imagine being an attorney

and not getting this information.

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You need to have this in order to practice

in front of the judge and you know, the

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judges are gonna be reading all of this.

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Hugh (2): Well,

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christine (2): I mean,

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Hugh (2): I hope so.

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christine (2): Yeah,

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Hugh (2): I hope so.

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I mean, I think that's

going to be important.

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That's a piece that's been

missing this whole time.

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I mean, every now and then you get the

anonymous polls or you know, surveys

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about the judges that are sent out.

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But that's only to the attor,

you know, to certain attorneys.

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And that's, you know, once in a blue moon.

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This is the first time where

judges have been able to actually.

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Read feedback of what they're doing

in court and how things are going

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and how people think about their,

like you said, their profession, you

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know, the way that they treat people.

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Their timeliness, their legal knowledge.

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Mm-hmm.

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Not just whether you were happy

about the outcome of your case.

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Which will be something that comes

soon as a feature where people can.

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Add information about the

outcome of their case.

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And I think what's going to be very

interesting is at least from my experience

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as a practitioner, I would have clients

who would get a negative outcome from

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a judge and be very complimentary Yep.

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To the judge because they

would understand why.

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And when a judge clearly explains

things, communicates well.

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Mm-hmm.

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And treats everyone with respect.

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You get respect from the litigants

will follow the orders and respect

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them even if they go against them.

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christine (2): A hundred percent.

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I mean, I had people that used to be

sentenced to prison that thought highly

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of the judge, that sentenced them,

like understood they were doing their

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job, they were respectful and they

were motivating in order for people to

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get their lives back together, to get

off substances, things of that nature.

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So yes, absolutely.

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And one thing we have failed

to mention entirely, which is.

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Obviously entirely your idea,

which I think is going to be a game

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changer, is the secure messaging.

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You can message people on the app.

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Like, for example, I see that

there's just a new thread that's been

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posted in Christine wards courtroom.

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Does anybody have patience

Fitzpatrick as a GAL or FOC?

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Well, you can find out if

somebody responds to that.

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Y'all can message each other and

there can be a group of parents,

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which is literally what happened

when I was in California with that.

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Custodial evaluator that did a lot of

families dirty, allegedly, they formed a

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friendship and a comradery to get through

it together and just expose patterns.

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If those patterns exist.

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Maybe they do, maybe they don't, but

this is what the app is here for.

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Hugh (2): I mean, we've seen

that with, other states.

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Where people have gotten together

and met through online communications

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christine (2): mm-hmm.

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Hugh (2): And exposed things that were

going on with custodial evaluators

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that were not doing their job and

basically stealing people's money.

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And so we want to be a forum for that.

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I've noticed that there's

been a lot of, there have been

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quite a few private messages.

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I don't know who they're from,

and that's intentional when

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we say that this is secure.

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I can see the activity that's happening.

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I have to monitor that to make

sure everything's working well.

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But the identities are anonymized

and they just, you look like a big

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string, long string of numbers.

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christine (2): And y'all,

I can't even say it.

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I mean, I'm sure I could get

access to yours, but I'm not even

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like Hugh is the only person.

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It's secure.

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It's encrypted is the right word.

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Yep.

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Everybody like claps to Hugh because

you, I basically can't add, I don't know.

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I didn't build an app, do

you know what I'm saying?

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So I guess friendly reminder every single

day for the rest of March 8:00 PM I

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will be doing a live to go over things.

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If your judge is not on the platform

you can comment on all of my socials

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or our socials, but the best way

is gonna be email info@judgey.com.

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Yep.

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You guys, we've got drama.

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tea gossip, good stories for

literally a million years after

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taking just six weeks off.

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The biggest one is, like

I said, you win a prize.

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If our name has been mentioned on the

record, I want you to get on the app and

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secure message me because these attorneys

are, these attorneys and judges literally

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are going through my entire social media

feed and looking to see if you comment.

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Okay.

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You need to think of other activities

to do, like, you know, get some friends

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for crying out loud or a life that is

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Hugh (2): maybe get some orders written.

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christine (2): Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't even have time

to read every comment.

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I can't even imagine how

that is just very sad.

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I'm gonna pray for you.

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I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be complimentary.

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It's lint.

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I gave up cursing for Lent.

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I've been doing really good, haven't I?

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Hugh (2): It has been hilarious,

but yes, it has been like.

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I can't believe you haven't exploded

yet, but you, it seems a lot, you

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know, over the last like week or so,

it's gotten a lot easier it seems.

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Yeah.

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christine (2): I mean, and that's

been a great thing to give up,

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but seriously, the fact that these

judges cannot be introspective at

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all to understand how we got here.

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You know what I mean?

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Just a little bit of looking

inward and saying, Hey, listen,

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this didn't happen in a vacuum.

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Right?

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Hugh (2): Oh, that's right.

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And ultimately we want to help.

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Mm-hmm.

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So if seeing the comments and seeing how.

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You are viewed and what people's

experiences is in your courtroom,

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helps you and helps the process.

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Get better.

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christine (2): Mm-hmm.

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Hugh (2): Then we've done our job.

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christine (2): Absolutely.

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Also just bear with us.

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There's gonna be little

glitches and stuff like that.

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It's huge and it's on

three different platforms.

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It's three different

types of code, I think.

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It is an endeavor to

do something like this.

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So we're gonna have little things

that we're gonna work on and obviously

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Hugh has like 1700 ideas of things

to add to make the app better, which

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we're just gonna keep rolling those

out over the next couple months.

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Hugh (2): Yep.

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Yep.

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And yeah, , for the judges some of the

states when we were pulling the data,

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didn't get all the magistrates, so we've

already had some comments on people

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looking for specific magistrate judges.

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Happy to add them.

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christine (2): Mm-hmm.

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Hugh (2): Email us.

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We will add them very quickly.

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We've realized that some states.

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Magistrates were listed in such a way

that they got picked up in our database.

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In some states they weren't, and

we'll fix that as quickly as possible.

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We just need to hear from you.

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christine (2): Awesome.

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Judge y.com

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info@judgey.com

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if we're missing someone.

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See y'all soon.

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Hugh (2): See it.

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Speaker 3: Next call.

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We need some justice, justice, justice.

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And I wanna ring bells in public.

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I wanna ring bes in public nor crowd.

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