Episode 18

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9th Sep 2025

Ep 18 Field Trip

The Judgmental Podcast – Episode 18: Field Trip (On Location in California)

In this special on-location episode, hosts Hugh and Christine take The Judgmental Podcast to Orange County, California, for a deep dive into the state’s family court system. Broadcasting amidst a nationwide protest and documentary filming, they share firsthand accounts and interviews with parents, attorneys, and advocates fighting for judicial accountability and transparency.

Key Topics:

  • Shocking stories from California’s family courts, including prolonged ex parte orders, lack of hearings, and the impact on families.
  • The role and power of custodial evaluators, “730 evaluations,” and the challenges of navigating the system.
  • Comparisons between California and Kentucky court practices, highlighting systemic issues across jurisdictions.
  • The ongoing nationwide protest for family court reform, with live updates from Orange County and beyond.
  • Listener engagement: California is the podcast’s second-largest audience, and the hosts share messages from local listeners and supporters.
  • Behind-the-scenes moments from the documentary shoot, including adventures in an RV and the energy of protest days.
  • A call to action for greater transparency, accountability, and reform in family courts everywhere.

Notable Moments:

  • Personal stories from parents affected by the system.
  • Reflections on the emotional toll of legal advocacy.
  • A look at the broader movement for change, with listeners from across the country reaching out.
  • Teasers for upcoming episodes and exclusive YouTube Q&A content.

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  • Join the conversation and share your story—change starts with awareness!

Thank you for listening to this special episode of The Judgmental Podcast, recorded on the ground in California. Stay tuned for more field reports and in-depth discussions on the fight for justice in family courts nationwide.

Transcript
Christine:

You are listening to The Judgemental Podcast.

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Hugh: We're Hugh and Christine, the

Minds Behind Judgy, the revolutionary app

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that empowers you to judge the judges.

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Christine: It's past time for

judicial accountability and

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transparency within the courts.

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Hugh: Prepare for sharp insights, candid

critiques, and unshakable honesty from

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two lawyers determined to save the system.

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Speaker 3: We need some justice.

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Justice, my fine justice.

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And I wanna ring, be in public.

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I wanna ring, be in public crowd.

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Yeah.

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Live-Mix Edited: All right.

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Welcome to the Judgmental Podcast,

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4_CAMERA 4: I am in Orange

County, California, sufficiently

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Live-Mix Edited: traumatized.

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4_CAMERA 4: thought that

Kentucky Family Court was bad.

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Live-Mix Edited: um, but I've

never seen anything like this.

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You,

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4_CAMERA 4: It

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Live-Mix Edited: sounds like it.

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So tell me, tell me a

couple stories if you can.

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Well, I mean, and

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4_CAMERA 4: let me be

clear, I haven't seen

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uh, for the most part, I don't

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4_CAMERA 4: people are allowed

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no cameras allowed in courtrooms at all.

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Like there are no video

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4_CAMERA 4: of family court

in California anywhere at all.

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But

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Live-Mix Edited: But you've, you've

told me stories of people that have

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been, uh, kept from seeing their child

unsupervised for better part of a year and

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have never gotten to even have a hearing

or, or speak in front of the court.

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No, I mean we had a mom that

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4_CAMERA 4: literally

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Um.

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4_CAMERA 4: While she was

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I've got a mom that

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4_CAMERA 4: seen her kid

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Live-Mix Edited: in nine

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4_CAMERA 4: um, without ever testifying

in court based on an ex parte order that

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going and going and going.

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No criminal charges.

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4_CAMERA 4: And I, this is like so sad.

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Live-Mix Edited: This is what I told you.

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I was like trying to trial prep with her.

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Just be like, okay,

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4_CAMERA 4: can you

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your name for the record?

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4_CAMERA 4: old are you?

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you know, who's his or her teacher?

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4_CAMERA 4: person was

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I've never had a lawyer do

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4_CAMERA 4: and spent

more than six figures

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That's, that's crazy.

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And this is, this is the person you

were telling him about have, uh,

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who had multiple lawyers, correct?

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Yes.

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And no lawyer has prepped them for

court in any way, shape or form.

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4_CAMERA 4: No, I mean,

you could tell looking at

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'cause you know, as lawyers we're

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supposed to kind of prep our clients

how to control the narrative.

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You know, when you get into, when

you get in front of a judge, you may

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have 30 minutes to tell your side of

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You don't

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hole of something that happened six years

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4_CAMERA 4: That's

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relevant to like, best interest of

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the child now in the present day.

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4_CAMERA 4: Um,

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4_CAMERA 4: figures

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attorney has prepped her, nor this case

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has been going on six or seven years.

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Nor has she ever testified.

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how that's, how that's possible.

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How can you have made a decision

about a child's best interest

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and not spoken with the parent?

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our understanding of best interest

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I, I think they're fairly uniform

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and the wishes of the parent and.

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the parent are relevant to

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defining the child's best interest.

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don't hear from a parent at all, and

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yet you're making these decisions.

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4_CAMERA 4: It's so similar,

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same Patterns are Happening.

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It's like they just

keep moving the carrot.

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It's like, okay, well you'll

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for three months, then

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back and there's something else

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we've gotta have a serious

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traumatizing children based on ex

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4_CAMERA 4: a bunch

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Filthy rich.

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yeah, it's pretty, uh, pretty shocking.

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Uh, I remember Matt talking about how ex

parte order, and then it gets, you know,

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it's time limited, but yet it doesn't

seem to go away, and then it just, mm-hmm.

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You come back and then a couple months

you come back and it just keeps,

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you know, they keep moving and they

won't tell you what you need to do to

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get that ex parte order or the, the

temporary restraining order lifted and.

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often in Kentucky as well.

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4_CAMERA 4: I know.

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where we predominantly practiced is,

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a whole hell of a lot of ex parte

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orders, and if there are, hell,

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You know what I mean?

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No, but there are plenty of

temporary orders, I mean.

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without any hearing, um, based on the

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unsworn testimony, uh, or statement

by a friend of court or a guardian.

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Ad litem will take someone's

parenting time or drastically modify

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it and, you know, two years can

go by and then all of a sudden you

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still haven't gotten a final order.

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temporary orders and you don't

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have a right to a full hearing.

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4_CAMERA 4: Oh, that's

happening all over California.

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You're Yeah.

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absolutely do have a right.

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You just, they're, they're ignoring it.

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And it, it's just, it

is like wild, wild west.

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It's also very different for

me to see this happen where

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I don't know the players.

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Sure.

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You know, we're like, we know

the judges, we know the people,

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um, that this is happening to.

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But like when I've never had a

conversation with these commissioners,

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these judges, these minors, counsels,

you know, I like our own bias

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know so and so works harder.

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I've had a conversation, but here saying

it, it's like too far removed for me.

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It's just the system is a mess.

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I mean, it's a mess.

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I'm afraid that's what's

gonna happen in Kentucky.

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As you know, these third party

appointments just grow and grow and grow.

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The people you've spoken with there,

are they largely from within the court?

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Same court system, or?

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Multiple.

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All over jurisdictions.

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All over.

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All over.

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forming until wicked late.

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we've talked about this before,

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to be a therapist.

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don't prefer, like, I

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I don't know where

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I don't

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job is to give legal advice.

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law and this is how you

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income, like outcome.

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I've heard are, yeah, I

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down a rabbit hole.

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did you end up in California?

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protest and we are currently filming

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to talk about the need

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happening in family courts all over.

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here recording in Orange

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was a TV show about Orange County.

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Bravo girl all day, every day.

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woman, which I guarantee you

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that reference, but, alright.

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and actually, um, document the protest.

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actually California is

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numbers, but is our second state

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people being like, oh my gosh, I'm so glad

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expected tomorrow at the protest?

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don't know, there's been three days

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plus views on that.

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actually the sneaker guy

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you, which you don't know.

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podcast a lot and he really likes

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person or he is in New Jersey?

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there a little early and

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walk around and get a feel for

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which court specifically is, is it?

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from other people's videos?

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Grant had one today in St.

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attended and actually the local

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abuse charges involving

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language that other states are using

for the appointment of third parties.

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friend of court, how GS are treated,

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children, whether they are guardians,

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everyone I've talked to doesn't understand

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